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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1050 on Sept 18, 2007, 12:18pm »
Ok. What I'm getting at is very simple, and will no longer be useful as a method of verifying one's role. Dot referred to herself as a "Vanilla Crewperson", she and I have been the only two people to use the word Crewperson in all 35 pages of this thing here. I used it first in my role claim and she used it in hers.
Now, when I wrote the initial post where I cryptically referred to Dot's wording being an indicator, I thought she had been the first one to use it. I tried to not quote my PM verbatim, and misremembered that I referred to myself just as crew. To me, her usage of this word first gave an almost ironclad town confirmation, but she didn't, I did. This made me think that perhaps she could be a crafty scum that picked up on my unusual wording (Firefox thinks that Crewperson isn't a word) and mimicked it for a fake claim, assuming that I was quoting verbatim. However, you might notice that she has been using the term crewpeople as well. While not in the PM, she is clearly dropping hints to people that got a similar PM that she is one of them. I'm going to believe it for the time being, unless she gets investigated and is in fact a very, very clever scum, or she does something else to make me think she's a wolf in sheeps clothing.
So, in a nutshell, she used a word that is unusual (possibly not even a real word, Dictionary.com doesn't have an entry for it), it matched my PM exactly, and then ran with it. I used the word once, she used it multiple times and went so far as dropping "crewpeople" in several places. Were she scum, and guessed correctly, I doubt she would have peppered her posts the way she did, in case she guessed wrong.
This means that anyone claiming "Vanilla Crewperson" can't use that wording alone for verification, it's gonna have to be more about the name. This tell has been burned, and hopefully it saves a townie from inevitable lynching.
If you are town and have a vote on Dotchan please remove it to reconsider and not hammer a likely townie. If you are a "Vanilla Crewperson" you can see it right there in your PM and you know I speak the truth.
For fuck's sake, people, at least get some sort of vote in!
FOS anyone who doesn't vote in the next 24 hours.
All due respect, ill-considered votes for their own sake are of little value in any direction. I'd prefer people to take the time they need to make a vote in which they believe. This has two benefits: (1) it increases the chances that someone will notice something that actually uncovers scum; and (2) it makes each person really accountable for their vote. A vote thrown off under threat of suspicion really tells us nothing about the voter.
Which is my way of saying that I, at least, need more time. Things have gone very quickly this weekend, and I haven't kept up well. I'm not going to place a vote until I've done my reading.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1052 on Sept 18, 2007, 12:22pm »
:::heavy sigh:::
unvote dotchan
Yes, I now think dot is crew. I know the wording that is being spoken of. I won't say it, but it is there.
Ta ma de! I'm unvoting you now dot, but I will revote if a no-lynch is imminent. I loathe having to start over again, but there are still 14 people in this game who haven't received a vote toDay.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1054 on Sept 18, 2007, 12:29pm »
Ok, back to the gnawing in my stomach that we will not be able to rally a consensus in time, and that the scum already have a feast of probably preventable information to pick over toDay.
Unvote dotchan
Hockey are you suggesting that we systematically put the head of everyone who hasn't had a vote cast for them on the chopping block to see what they say as they pee their pants?
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Ok, back to the gnawing in my stomach that we will not be able to rally a consensus in time, and that the scum already have a feast of probably preventable information to pick over toDay.
Unvote dotchan
Hockey are you suggesting that we systematically put the head of everyone who hasn't had a vote cast for them on the chopping block to see what they say as they pee their pants?
Ok, back to the gnawing in my stomach that we will not be able to rally a consensus in time, and that the scum already have a feast of probably preventable information to pick over toDay.
Unvote dotchan
Hockey are you suggesting that we systematically put the head of everyone who hasn't had a vote cast for them on the chopping block to see what they say as they pee their pants?
No no no, I was merely commenting on the amount of votes we've had already. Half the people in the game have gotten votes. The other half have not. I'm just a little bewildered as to where to start over.
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Ok. What I'm getting at is very simple, and will no longer be useful as a method of verifying one's role.
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God help us all, the man has a point.
I don't get it. Are you saying that I shouldn't have announced it? Or are you lamenting the fact that we have that many fewer tools available to us as town? As I said, I think the longer it went unspoken, the sooner the scum could have picked up on it and played us for suckers.
I was using the terms Alliance citizen, vanilla town, and vanilla crew interchangably because that is my own role. Sorry if I made things more confusing for everybody.
It's so frustrating when everything I post is sounding like a scum tell. (And now I know why the temptation to use size 72 font is so large.)
But your assumptions (that it was narrowing things down for scum--in ANY way) are/were wrong. Impossible, actually, I would think.
I thought you said it was Vanilla Town? I wouldn't call Alliance Citizen Vanilla Town...I'd call it Alliance Citizen. Hence why I was asking you a million times over "who is claiming Vanilla Town?" when dnooman and sinjin, if they are to be believed, claimed Alliance Citizen.
In my mind, Alliance Citizen =/ Vanilla Town
Should it?
Yes. It should.
dnooman claimed Sheriff Bourne. He is a citizen of the Alliance in the same sense that I am a citizen of the United Kingdom - born into it and owing allegiance to its sovereign power. (Or maybe he's a resident of a state taken over by conquest, but that's neither here nor there.)
The vast majority, if not all, players will be a citizen of the Alliance in this sense. Even those who are crew members.
Just because someone is an Alliance citizen it does not mean they are Alliance aligned.
I know THAT. My beef is combined with the fact that she had thought that crew = vanilla town and assumed that people stating their alignment and win conditions were narrowing down choices for power roles for scum. Me, I didn't see how this is possible or why she thought this. The only thing I surmised was if she got something that read different then my PM. Since she claims dnooman is on her team (Alliance Citizen) and I know dnooman's supposed win condition and alignment is that of my own, I also surmised her PM had to have read different than his as well.
My vote is currently on Diomedes for his "other scum" comment.
By the way, I don't understand your reasoning here. I've seen and read the post in question. He was basically saying "Roosh really may be what he says he is, so why not leave him be right now and look for other possible scum, in which there probably are?"
And I'd have to agree with him on that. There probably are more than just one scum in this game.
Really, it looks like you're making a up a reason to vote for him by taking something he said and making it mean what you want it to mean.
I'm getting a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach. Not because I don't think she's scummy (or at least, has as good a shot at being scum as any of my other suspicions), but because if she's town, I'm afraid tomorrow might be shorter than today. ::edges away from airlock::
You'd better be scum, dot. Don't let me down!
Yeah, same here. Things are moving too fast and, IF SHE IS TOWN, it'd be too easy for a scum to put some "oopsie!" votes on her. As in "oopsie! The topic is so big and long I didn't even know she was at fourteen, teehee!"
If anyone else votes for her, I unvote just to give us as much discussing time as possible.
Thing is, we're coming down to the wire here. As much as I DO find dotchan suspicious, I agree with her that there are probably players going to go "ah well, too late now, we need a lynch". Heck, GreedySmurf all of said that.
It's almost to the point where it's either going to be her or no lynch.
dnooman:
Quote:
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If you are town and have a vote on Dotchan please remove it to reconsider and not hammer a likely townie. If you are a "Vanilla Crewperson" you can see it right there in your PM and you know I speak the truth.
Let's try to kill scum today if possible.
Not all PMs read the same. I'm assuming it would be for your order/group only, those who are Alliance Citizen.
And speaking of that, what is with all of these names? From the lot of you I've heard: Alliance Citizen, Crewperson, and Vanilla Town...even with some mixes, like VanillaCrew.
Changing the name constantly breeds more confusion, I feel. At least I'm feeling it.
Anyway, I'm not unvoting just yet. First I need to figure out who I find most suspicious since some things have changed. From that list, I'll probably do an unvote and vote again in one swell foop.
I don't get it. Are you saying that I shouldn't have announced it? Or are you lamenting the fact that we have that many fewer tools available to us as town? As I said, I think the longer it went unspoken, the sooner the scum could have picked up on it and played us for suckers.
I think story was just saying that what we're all feeling: 1. dot's probably a townie (your point being the evidence) 2. It's better for the town to have a no-lynch than to lynch a townie 3. We're likely not to reach a new consensus on a vote target before Thursday, so we're almost certainly going to no-lynch. (The god help us bit) 4. Dopers overanalyze, metagame and outhink themselves way, way, way, way too much, given the opportunity.
If you are town and have a vote on Dotchan please remove it to reconsider and not hammer a likely townie. If you are a "Vanilla Crewperson" you can see it right there in your PM and you know I speak the truth.
Let's try to kill scum today if possible.
Not all PMs read the same. I'm assuming it would be for your order/group only, those who are Alliance Citizen.
And speaking of that, what is with all of these names? From the lot of you I've heard: Alliance Citizen, Crewperson, and Vanilla Town...even with some mixes, like VanillaCrew.
Changing the name constantly breeds more confusion, I feel. At least I'm feeling it.
Anyway, I'm not unvoting just yet. First I need to figure out who I find most suspicious since some things have changed. From that list, I'll probably do an unvote and vote again in one swell foop.
Hmm, this has a really scummy vibe to it IMO. It's been unnerving enough to have you shouting my credibility from the mountain top. i know I'm town, and you might know too, but you have to realize how your surety looks to me. DrainBead came to my defense in the last game, saying that she was confident I was town. I was right to suspect her of having perfect knowledge. She was scum.
The wording you used in this post also has me wondering what's up. You've been an unabashed champion of myself and Roosh, and it's starting to sound staged.
I'm gonna unvote MadTheSwine for the moment. My vote is hanging above your head Idle. That's not meant as any form of intimidation, I'm just going to place my vote based on whether or not I get any other people on board with what I think I'm seeing here.
Ok, phuck that, this is no time to be a pussy. Vote Idle Thoughts.
By the way, I don't understand your reasoning here. I've seen and read the post in question. He was basically saying "Roosh really may be what he says he is, so why not leave him be right now and look for other possible scum, in which there probably are?"
And I'd have to agree with him on that. There probably are more than just one scum in this game.
Really, it looks like you're making a up a reason to vote for him by taking something he said and making it mean what you want it to mean.
"Other possible scum" is different to "other scum". If he had said "other possible scum" or "other suspects" or "other scummy people" that would have been fine. But "other scum" sounds like he is of the mindset that Roosh is scum, and only the scum know if that's true.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1063 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:30pm »
My point is that having an empty vote doesn't let anyone know how close you really are to a vote. Having no vote out with two days to go is pretty near to no vote at all. The more unresolved votes we have, the more likely it is that we get a crush of votes coming with almost no time and no chance for discussion.
At this point, we ought to at least have the chance to know whether people are going to hop on the bandwagon (in this game, not as bad as it sounds) or whether the iffy folks (such as myself, a few hours ago) ought to jump in and end it if no one else will*. Even a no confidence indication lets us know where you stand. But at this point you really ought to have at least some vague idea of who's scummy or not.
*Most people will be willing to do this, I guess, but the closer it gets to the deadline, the more likely it is people won't get a chance to analyze their choice.
My vote right now is a bit weak; I'll try some better analysis in the morning to see if I can't get a better choice.
"Other possible scum" is different to "other scum". If he had said "other possible scum" or "other suspects" or "other scummy people" that would have been fine. But "other scum" sounds like he is of the mindset that Roosh is scum, and only the scum know if that's true.
"Other possible scum in the sea" just doesn't have the same ring to it that "other scum in the sea" does. You're reading way too far into a turn of phrase.
If fourteen other people decide on decent reasons to want to lynch me, I'm fine going down. You and your weak assed excuse for a reason for voting, on the other hand, are full of gos se.
By the way, I haven't seen you even FOS: Roosh. You obviously have decided that Roosh and I are scum-bretheren; as your house of cards idea doesn't really stand up if I'm not defending my co-scum Roosh, does it? Have you even looked into the argument I was making? Where's the head-smacking smiley when you need it? I guess ole' roll-eyes will have to do:
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1066 on Sept 18, 2007, 4:19pm »
As it seems like the dotchan lynchwagon is going to roll to a stop very quickly, I guess we're all going to be scrambling to find somebody else to lynch (or force to roleclaim as it seems to be at this point) by the end of the Day.
One thing I'd like to make people aware of: by this time, we've given the scum more than enough information through our discussions to be able to pull off a false townie role-claim if they're backed against the wall. So as we get further into the game, people, if you really, truly, deep down in your heart believe somebody is scum, don't flinch away just because of a role-claim or name-claim. Obviously, on Day 1 we don't want to risk killing a townie power role, but if we get to Day 4 and 3/4 of the game has claimed townie after being forced on the lynching block, we're going to have to start taking some risks, I think.
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Now, I had a brainstorm here in the early AM, and I figured I would post it now and then get some sleep and see what people think about it tomorrow.
FACT: So far, we have had 4 bandwagons that got far enough for a potential Day-ending lynch and that ended in a positive townie role-claim. (dnooman, Roosh, Mad, dotmachan) Dotmachan (who I will refer to as dotchan once Day Two starts, if she's still alive) isn't out of the woods yet, but there have been three unvotes already and I have a feeling more will follow suit tomorrow.
LESSER-KNOWN FACT: THREE people have managed to be on all four of these bandwagons. Their names are hockeymonkey, drainbead, and CatInASuit.
EVEN LESSER-KNOWN FACT: ONE person has managed to ONLY vote for the four people that got bandwagon'd into roleclaiming. That person's name is CatInASuit.
Now I came by this information through a combination of Hal Briston's half-updated Voting History Sheet and skimming through the 80ish most recent posts of the 12 people that made up the dotmachan bandwagon at its most numerous.*
As I'm dead tired at the moment, I haven't had a chance to fully read all of Cat's, hockey's, and drainbead's posts involving their votes in the bandwagons against our claimers. I'll be doing that tomorrow, and such after a full investigation I may or may not be changing my vote.
However, at this point, the fact that CatInASuit has managed to only vote for the 4 claimers rings a suspicious bell in my head.
Vote CatInASuit, subject to change to either hockey or drainbead depending on the results of my full investigation tomorrow.
Please note this vote and explanation is mostly to get people to look at this pattern I found, and perhaps open up a new line of thinking in terms of digging out a scum. It may be too late to apply this thinking for this Day, though, but I have to try.
*Note, this skimming occurred at 2 AM my time, after a day where I spent like 3 hours on the road driving and a weekend where I got very little good sleep. So therefore, if I've made a mistake in my quick analysis, please feel free to point it out so I can happily rearrange my thought process tomorrow.
Not all PMs read the same. I'm assuming it would be for your order/group only, those who are Alliance Citizen.
And speaking of that, what is with all of these names? From the lot of you I've heard: Alliance Citizen, Crewperson, and Vanilla Town...even with some mixes, like VanillaCrew.
Changing the name constantly breeds more confusion, I feel. At least I'm feeling it.
Anyway, I'm not unvoting just yet. First I need to figure out who I find most suspicious since some things have changed. From that list, I'll probably do an unvote and vote again in one swell foop.
Hmm, this has a really scummy vibe to it IMO. It's been unnerving enough to have you shouting my credibility from the mountain top. i know I'm town, and you might know too, but you have to realize how your surety looks to me. DrainBead came to my defense in the last game, saying that she was confident I was town. I was right to suspect her of having perfect knowledge. She was scum.
The wording you used in this post also has me wondering what's up. You've been an unabashed champion of myself and Roosh, and it's starting to sound staged.
I'm gonna unvote MadTheSwine for the moment. My vote is hanging above your head Idle. That's not meant as any form of intimidation, I'm just going to place my vote based on whether or not I get any other people on board with what I think I'm seeing here.
Ok, phuck that, this is no time to be a pussy. Vote Idle Thoughts.
Hey, that's fine. Only thing is, I AM fairly sure you're town. So what else can I say? I'm fairly sure just because of the confusion I went through when it came to my win conditions, it made me realize yours must be the same too (something you couldn't have known when you asked that "every man for himself" question).
Mine reads what yours does. It just doesn't give a difference 'twixt good or bad Alliance. I took it to mean ALL Alliance. Hence the reason NAF cleared it up in here (not that that clears me or anyone else but he obviously saw people getting confused, no?)
Anyway..
Ironic thing is: I find Drain Bead shady in this game.
By the way, I don't understand your reasoning here. I've seen and read the post in question. He was basically saying "Roosh really may be what he says he is, so why not leave him be right now and look for other possible scum, in which there probably are?"
And I'd have to agree with him on that. There probably are more than just one scum in this game.
Really, it looks like you're making a up a reason to vote for him by taking something he said and making it mean what you want it to mean.
"Other possible scum" is different to "other scum". If he had said "other possible scum" or "other suspects" or "other scummy people" that would have been fine. But "other scum" sounds like he is of the mindset that Roosh is scum, and only the scum know if that's true.
I get what you mean but I still think you're reaching/stretching. Just my opinion though. Then again, I'm now leaning toward Dio being a bit more Town than I was before so I might be biased.
FACT: So far, we have had 4 bandwagons that got far enough for a potential Day-ending lynch and that ended in a positive townie role-claim. (dnooman, Roosh, Mad, dotmachan) Dotmachan (who I will refer to as dotchan once Day Two starts, if she's still alive) isn't out of the woods yet, but there have been three unvotes already and I have a feeling more will follow suit tomorrow.
LESSER-KNOWN FACT: THREE people have managed to be on all four of these bandwagons. Their names are hockeymonkey, drainbead, and CatInASuit.
Wow. I've thought Drain Bead has been shady for awhile now..but I wasn't aware of this/didn't notice. Yeah, being as she's a close second on my list of suspicious...I'll unvote dotchan, who has fallen behind on my suspicion list due to dnooman's post/observations/points and vote drain bead, although I may change it depending on a combination of: A: if majority is on someone else and more votes are needed to lynch and B: how suspicous I find that person.
Idle Thought: This would certainly be the time for Drain bead to vote for ME now if she's to keep her pattern held.
Ok. What I'm getting at is very simple, and will no longer be useful as a method of verifying one's role. Dot referred to herself as a "Vanilla Crewperson", she and I have been the only two people to use the word Crewperson in all 35 pages of this thing here. I used it first in my role claim and she used it in hers.
My name is Sheriff Bourne. Don't let that mislead you, it not a cop role. I have no special powers. I am an Alliance citizen, however, I am a vanilla crewperson with the alignment "crew". My win condition requires all Alliance to be dead.
I'm Ramiro, Vanilla Crewperson. I'm aligned with the Crew. I win when all Alliance (i.e. scum, not the normal citizens who are just trying to go about their business) are dead.
Pretty similar wouldn't you agree?
dnooman: Your post pretty much states what to say as a vanilla crewperson, so I don't really follow that because dotchan has said it as well and no-one else has, she should be crew.
However, dotchan posted the following message a short while before her roleclaim:
"Other possible scum" is different to "other scum". If he had said "other possible scum" or "other suspects" or "other scummy people" that would have been fine. But "other scum" sounds like he is of the mindset that Roosh is scum, and only the scum know if that's true.
"Other possible scum in the sea" just doesn't have the same ring to it that "other scum in the sea" does. You're reading way too far into a turn of phrase.
If fourteen other people decide on decent reasons to want to lynch me, I'm fine going down. You and your weak assed excuse for a reason for voting, on the other hand, are full of gos se.
By the way, I haven't seen you even FOS: Roosh. You obviously have decided that Roosh and I are scum-bretheren; as your house of cards idea doesn't really stand up if I'm not defending my co-scum Roosh, does it? Have you even looked into the argument I was making? Where's the head-smacking smiley when you need it? I guess ole' roll-eyes will have to do:
I haven't FOS'd Roosh because I am inclined to accept his claim. However, your statement suggested that you knew he was scum. Since only scum would have that knowledge, I found you suspicious.
Having said that, I do see your point about wanting to adapt the "other fish in the sea" saying in a snappy way. That is not an unreasonable argument, but I'm not yet ready to remove my vote.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #1073 on Sept 18, 2007, 7:08pm »
This is rutting ridiculous. I'm just going to step away for a while. Because I've just read through the last 2 pages and jesus christ. This is just heading towards a No Lynch. Dnoo. I agree with you on the suspicions of IdleThoughts' last statements. But I will hold back on them. Because at this stage of Day 1 i don't think it really even matters. I've become Jaded about this game. So I'm going to step away for a while, and then come back to it.
There is too much WIFOM in front of EVERY lynch candidate. And at some rutting point we're either going to just play the hapless "let's not lynch anyone" role, or we going to have to rutting swallow some of the wine and see what happens. I've seen a great defense of Dotchan via the Crewpeople post, but I've also seen a great anti-defense of the Crewpeople post. So I don't know at this point. But i have no one else to vote for that would not potentially harm town. :shrug: But if dotchan's so important, then lets keep her and have a no lynch most likely. In the end though, i'll keep my vote on her till i find someone better. (Atarus I'd like your ideas to be developed better. It's a nice starting place to look, but that's about it right now. :sigh: I really do enjoy Mafia. But this is starting to feel boringly stupid, and that's not good. Just gimmie a day or two, and I'll get over it. But Jesus.....
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1074 on Sept 18, 2007, 9:55pm »
Hey, guess who else seems to be confused about who the town are, and are addressing the Alliance Citizens as "your group"?
That right, our favorite size 72 font shouter, Idle Thoughts.
Lucky for him I still find Diomedes more scummy for his way of joining bandwagons, so he just gets a pointy FoS Idle Thoughts, but if I'm getting flak for my use of words, I don't see why he isn't getting more.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #1075 on Sept 18, 2007, 10:36pm »
unvote dotchan. At this point I'm beginning to think that a no lynch is imminent, and it's probably best given our abysmal record of suspecting fellow crew.
My guess is that the scum is lurking and watching us feast upon ourselves. I'm going to re-read the whole thread, yet again, and see what conclusions I can come to. One of the things I plan on doing is looking at the voting history and finding infrequent posters who hadn't voted much yet, but who were right there in the dotchan bandwagon. I should have trusted my initial instincts that it happened much too fast, but I was suckered into the "must avoid a no-lynch at all costs" mentality. I'd imagine a lot of other people were too, but amongst those were some scum who saw an opportunity. I'll be in court this morning (damn job) but free this afternoon to analyze the voting patterns and see what I come up with.
Right now I'm not going to vote for anyone. I may not vote for anyone again toDay. I'm doing a piss-poor job this game.
Remind me never ever to go away for a weekend ever again.
Too much stuff happened, then counter-happened, then finished happening in the time I was gone, so I'm not going to comment on it all. I will, however, comment on one thing.
atarus has also claimed she is a fanatic about the show...I am confident she will agree with you and back my claim.
First of all, *points to the shiny little male symbol underneath my name.* Now that we've got that cleared up.
Please, please, PLEASE don't ever do that again. That goes to you and everybody else. Yes, I know stuff about Firefly. Yes, I know an abnormal amount when compared to other people. No, I'm not letting what I know affect my judgments about the game, as I feel that's meta-gaming and I want to stay away from that. Yes, that's only my opinion and I'm not going to enforce it on anybody else.
That being said, I will unvote MadTheSwine because I don't want to be voting for a possible Mason, even if said possible Mason has been acting oddly (albeit said possible Mason always acts oddly, but again, meta-gaming).
You wont use your knowledge of the show to clarify or at least acknowledge a role-claim is possible...I don't think that is metagamimg whatsoever...i think not doing it is scummy.
If it was a show we are all familiar with than I doubt you would hesitate to share knowledge some of us may have forgotten.
Sounds like you want to keep your upperhand by not giving away info that by all accounts should be public knowledge.
That said,along with your premature lynch the lurkers post, I will unvote Dotchan, and vote atarus
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1078 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:03am »
I was going to post this after the day was done, but I'm going to go ahead and post it now because it shows just what a clusterfuck of a Day it has been. I have been on several bandwagons. With the sheer volume of voting that has been done, it doesn't suprise me in the least that I have contributed to a bandwagon. We have to have on in order to lynch! I plan to be on the next one. We need to lynch someone today so we can get information. Look at this voting history. Some of you have voted more than once for the same person. I hope the rest of the game isn't this crazy.
The numbers in parenthasis are the post at which the vote and unvote occured.
M2 - Beat Cop - Killed by the Mafia (loss) Hispanola - Vanilla Crew - Alive at the end (win). Crazyville - Therapist - Killed by the Psychos and my Lover Kat took her own life - (win). Cult of Sekham - Alchemist - Blowed up by the Cult - (win). Firefly - Space Monkey! (see avatar) - Giving the airlocks a wide berth!{=}http://s2.images.proboards.com/kiss.gif{/=}
hockeymonkey Silly orange hat-wearer member is online
Open the airlocks and jettison the penguins!
Joined: May 2007 Gender: Female Posts: 78 Location: Out on a limb Karma: 0 [ Exalt | Smite ]
Re: Day 1 « Reply #1079 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:04am »
As it seems like the dotchan lynchwagon is going to roll to a stop very quickly, I guess we're all going to be scrambling to find somebody else to lynch (or force to roleclaim as it seems to be at this point) by the end of the Day.
One thing I'd like to make people aware of: by this time, we've given the scum more than enough information through our discussions to be able to pull off a false townie role-claim if they're backed against the wall. So as we get further into the game, people, if you really, truly, deep down in your heart believe somebody is scum, don't flinch away just because of a role-claim or name-claim. Obviously, on Day 1 we don't want to risk killing a townie power role, but if we get to Day 4 and 3/4 of the game has claimed townie after being forced on the lynching block, we're going to have to start taking some risks, I think.
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Now, I had a brainstorm here in the early AM, and I figured I would post it now and then get some sleep and see what people think about it tomorrow.
FACT: So far, we have had 4 bandwagons that got far enough for a potential Day-ending lynch and that ended in a positive townie role-claim. (dnooman, Roosh, Mad, dotmachan) Dotmachan (who I will refer to as dotchan once Day Two starts, if she's still alive) isn't out of the woods yet, but there have been three unvotes already and I have a feeling more will follow suit tomorrow.
LESSER-KNOWN FACT: THREE people have managed to be on all four of these bandwagons. Their names are hockeymonkey, drainbead, and CatInASuit.
EVEN LESSER-KNOWN FACT: ONE person has managed to ONLY vote for the four people that got bandwagon'd into roleclaiming. That person's name is CatInASuit.
Now I came by this information through a combination of Hal Briston's half-updated Voting History Sheet and skimming through the 80ish most recent posts of the 12 people that made up the dotmachan bandwagon at its most numerous.*
As I'm dead tired at the moment, I haven't had a chance to fully read all of Cat's, hockey's, and drainbead's posts involving their votes in the bandwagons against our claimers. I'll be doing that tomorrow, and such after a full investigation I may or may not be changing my vote.
However, at this point, the fact that CatInASuit has managed to only vote for the 4 claimers rings a suspicious bell in my head.
Vote CatInASuit, subject to change to either hockey or drainbead depending on the results of my full investigation tomorrow.
Please note this vote and explanation is mostly to get people to look at this pattern I found, and perhaps open up a new line of thinking in terms of digging out a scum. It may be too late to apply this thinking for this Day, though, but I have to try.
*Note, this skimming occurred at 2 AM my time, after a day where I spent like 3 hours on the road driving and a weekend where I got very little good sleep. So therefore, if I've made a mistake in my quick analysis, please feel free to point it out so I can happily rearrange my thought process tomorrow.
Please note atarus, that I was not on the Roosh wagon.
M2 - Beat Cop - Killed by the Mafia (loss) Hispanola - Vanilla Crew - Alive at the end (win). Crazyville - Therapist - Killed by the Psychos and my Lover Kat took her own life - (win). Cult of Sekham - Alchemist - Blowed up by the Cult - (win). Firefly - Space Monkey! (see avatar) - Giving the airlocks a wide berth!{=}http://s2.images.proboards.com/kiss.gif{/=}