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« Reply #930 on Sept 17, 2007, 11:12pm »
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Qutie frankly.. for all those looking to vote for me just to ease the game.. that's your perogative. I'm sorry that I'm quite intimidated with the level of this game but I am trying to keep up. You gotta do what you gotta do..

There are several people who are putting a lot of emphasis on activity and how it pertains to who they should vote for. A few pages back there were people that wanted to vote for those who were posting so much and were more active than the rest. Then you have the opposite end of the spectrum.. like me.. who have posted very little. Here's a solution: step away from the amount of posting to look for your target. That's such a total cop out. It's like saying "gee.. since there's no good indication let's just find the easy route and make everyone happy".

Quite frankly since Diomedes is so quick to opt for the "easy out" on the vote it puts a level of suspicion on him in my mind.
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« Reply #931 on Sept 17, 2007, 11:31pm »
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Qutie frankly.. for all those looking to vote for me just to ease the game.. that's your perogative. I'm sorry that I'm quite intimidated with the level of this game but I am trying to keep up. You gotta do what you gotta do..

There are several people who are putting a lot of emphasis on activity and how it pertains to who they should vote for. A few pages back there were people that wanted to vote for those who were posting so much and were more active than the rest. Then you have the opposite end of the spectrum.. like me.. who have posted very little. Here's a solution: step away from the amount of posting to look for your target. That's such a total cop out. It's like saying "gee.. since there's no good indication let's just find the easy route and make everyone happy".

Quite frankly since Diomedes is so quick to opt for the "easy out" on the vote it puts a level of suspicion on him in my mind.


Tragic, if the game is too intimidating for you perhaps you should ask for a sub. When people don't post, we don't have any evidence one way or the other. You have to provide some analysis, some gut feelings, and a vote. It's not a cop-out to lynch lurkers because lurking is a strategy...one most often employed by scum so as not to attract attention. The problem is by not posting they attract attention and get called on the carpet for it. Like you have.

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« Reply #932 on Sept 18, 2007, 12:11am »
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About Hector Sanchez...

Assuming that Mad is on the up-and-up with the portions of his claim that he has shared with us, I think it is possible for players who (intimately) know the show/movie/whedonverse to determine the number of possible masons, in the right (obscure) context. As for "Entrepreneur" as a role, it would fit the relevant color, vague as that may be.
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« Reply #933 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:06am »
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I still don't like the way sinjin's opinion of Roosh (and his theory) seems to change based on who (s)he's having a conversation with at the time. Sometimes, it seems like (s)he even flops in the same paragraph:


Sept 16, 2007, 9:30am, sinjin wrote:
<snip>However a number of folks just used the no counter-claim reason for exonerating him. This to me is still ASTOUNDING because it is solely based on Roosh's theory that scum have no names or generic names. There is no basis to believe this. That is what I arguing about so voraciously last night. I finally figured out DOH! that people were taking my arguments as a demand that Roosh be lynched immediately. So I unvoted him to try to separate the lynch Roosh theme from the "Why are we suddenly buying into this theory" theme. <snip>
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« Reply #934 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:17am »
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Damned if you do.. damned if you don't..

I would've been better off just never posting. At least then you could've kept going with your little jokes, lol.

So basically.. now that I'm posting and sharing an opinion I'm getting votes for finally showing up and having an opinion. Whereas if I didn't post I'd be voted for not bothering to get into the game.

Folks.. we call this a Catch 22.
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« Reply #935 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:21am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 1:17am, Tragic wrote:
Damned if you do.. damned if you don't..

I would've been better off just never posting. At least then you could've kept going with your little jokes, lol.

So basically.. now that I'm posting and sharing an opinion I'm getting votes for finally showing up and having an opinion. Whereas if I didn't post I'd be voted for not bothering to get into the game.

Folks.. we call this a Catch 22.


You are certainly damned if you don't. Wether you are damned if you do remains to be seen.

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« Reply #936 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:25am »
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So basically.. now that I'm posting and sharing an opinion I'm getting votes for finally showing up and having an opinion. Whereas if I didn't post I'd be voted for not bothering to get into the game.

Folks.. we call this a Catch 22.


You only got one vote, and your opinion was, "don't vote for me". Well, we all have that opinion of ourselves.

Based on what you've read so far, who do you think is our best target for the Day? That's the kind of opinion we're looking for.
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« Reply #937 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:28am »
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I haven't voted for you (yet), Tragic, but have been tempted to vote for you, or Caerie, or even my beloved wtf to try and catalyze increased participation from all y'all.

As for why people are voting for you now that you're here participating, I'd wager that it is because you are apparently now paying attention and they are using the votes to get a message across to you. Votes are not free. They come with consequences. Voting for a lurker who has shown no signs of even reading the thread can be seen as a cop out on one hand, and as a complete waste of time on the other hand.
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« Reply #938 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:37am »
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Time for the morning vote count!

Mad The Swine (5) - atatus, FCoD, CatInASuit, Roosh, dnooman
Diomedes (3) - drainbead, dotchan, Captain Klutz
dotchan (2) - Idle Thoughts, Diomedes
drainbead (1) - panamajack
mtgman (1) - diggitcamera
Roosh (1) - Blaster Master
sinjin (1) - zeriel
storyteller (1) - Mad The Swine
tragic (1) - hockeymonkey

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« Reply #939 on Sept 18, 2007, 1:41am »
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I actually feel kinda responsible for wtf, considering I recruited him into the game. In my most pessimistic dreams I wouldn't have thought we'd be at 32 rutting pages half-way through Day 1, and I certainly didn't include such extremes in the expectations I gave him when trying to talk him into playing.

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« Reply #940 on Sept 18, 2007, 2:20am »
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About Hector Sanchez...

Assuming that Mad is on the up-and-up with the portions of his claim that he has shared with us, I think it is possible for players who (intimately) know the show/movie/whedonverse to determine the number of possible masons, in the right (obscure) context. As for "Entrepreneur" as a role, it would fit the relevant color, vague as that may be.


I was going to ask a question about whether or not it took a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that conclusion, and then I realized...

If Mad doesn't know the show intimately, as he asserts in Post 848 when he says that he has never watched the show, how would he have known at that point that supplying info about his no-name character (which he didn't even realize was a no-name character until Post 885) would "give away our numbers to those familiar with the show"? He says that his name and the names of all of his masonry aren't in the wiki or IMDB. So how could that given the scum info, without complicated mental gymnastics that someone unfamiliar with the show would not have known about?

unvote Diomedes, vote MadTheSwine.

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« Reply #941 on Sept 18, 2007, 2:21am »
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« Reply #942 on Sept 18, 2007, 2:41am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 12:11am, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies wrote:
About Hector Sanchez...

Assuming that Mad is on the up-and-up with the portions of his claim that he has shared with us, I think it is possible for players who (intimately) know the show/movie/whedonverse to determine the number of possible masons, in the right (obscure) context. As for "Entrepreneur" as a role, it would fit the relevant color, vague as that may be.


I was going to ask a question about whether or not it took a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that conclusion, and then I realized...

If Mad doesn't know the show intimately, as he asserts in Post 848 when he says that he has never watched the show, how would he have known at that point that supplying info about his no-name character (which he didn't even realize was a no-name character until Post 885) would "give away our numbers to those familiar with the show"? He says that his name and the names of all of his masonry aren't in the wiki or IMDB. So how could that given the scum info, without complicated mental gymnastics that someone unfamiliar with the show would not have known about?

[colorRed]unvote Diomedes,[/color] [colorBlue]vote MadTheSwine.[/color]

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I was thinking the same thing.

Mad, what gives?
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« Reply #943 on Sept 18, 2007, 2:53am »
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FWIW, I can see how someone who has not seen the show could come to the various tentative conclusions that Mad came to in the progression of his claims.

I also don't like the position I find myself in currently with this canon information I seem to have all by my lonesome. The statement above is entirely too close to defending Mad than I'm comfortable being, and yet explaining myself and the canon risks more for the town than I'm willing to risk. I'm tempted to opt out of this topic entirely.
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« Reply #944 on Sept 18, 2007, 2:53am »
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Sigh...it aint enough for ya'll that my name was confirmed by Cookies as well as the group name? That there have been no counter-claims?



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« Reply #945 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:01am »
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I wouldn't say that Cookies has confirmed Mad. Look at the words she uses:

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Those words don't seem very sure about your claim.

Cookies, I think you have to assume that the scum have at least one member that knows the series as well as you do, and will tell all their scum buddies tonight. I'm inclined to vote for Mad as it stands, as we don't even know if there are any masons in this game. Knowing that Entrepreneurs would fit into the scheme of things would be a huge point in his favor, but if you're saying that it's possible that you can twist some vague facts into there maybe being an entrepreneur group (that's more likely to be a masonic type group, and not a scum group), then I'm not willing to check that box.


Sept 18, 2007, 12:11am, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies wrote:
About Hector Sanchez...

Assuming that Mad is on the up-and-up with the portions of his claim that he has shared with us, I think it is possible for players who (intimately) know the show/movie/whedonverse to determine the number of possible masons, in the right (obscure) context. As for "Entrepreneur" as a role, it would fit the relevant color, vague as that may be.
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« Reply #946 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:05am »
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I wouldn't say that Cookies has confirmed Mad. Look at the words she uses:

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Those words don't seem very sure about your claim.




I didn't say she confirmed my claim did I?

She confirmed the name Hector Sanchez as part of the series and that he would fit the Entrepeneur category.

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« Reply #947 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:07am »
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FWIW, I can see how someone who has not seen the show could come to the various tentative conclusions that Mad came to in the progression of his claims.

I also don't like the position I find myself in currently with this canon information I seem to have all by my lonesome. The statement above is entirely too close to defending Mad than I'm comfortable being, and yet explaining myself and the canon risks more for the town than I'm willing to risk. I'm tempted to opt out of this topic entirely.


atarus has also claimed she is a fanatic about the show...I am confident she will agree with you and back my claim.



Anyhow,I don't think it is that big of deal at this point that the scum know how many of us there are.

There are two of us.

As stated in my PM,the other mason is my BROTHER,his name is Sheng.

Ya get that?

My PM said the other mason is my brother.

Do you understand now why I thought that would give away our numbers?



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« Reply #948 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:07am »
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I'm sort of looking for a better candidate, but not changing my vote yet.

But Mad the Swine's looking pretty good right now.

There is the faint possibility that the Masons/Entrepreneurs can confer, but I kind of doubt that.

Since we don't really know if there are Masons in the game, IF we do vote for him, it seems we'll get one of these results :

Suppose Mad gets 10-12 votes. At this point :

1. Someone verifies him as a Mason. We either have two outed Masons, or two scum of some variety (but probably both Alliance). This is a bit risky for scum to do. Mad probably lives for at least one more day.

2. Someone counter-claims. We can assume one of them is really a Mason, but we don't know which is which, or if they're both in masonries. This probably doesn't help us much.


Or, we lynch Mad :

1. He's scum. Hooray! The existence of any Masons is unconfirmed.

2. He's a Mason. Oops. We're down to two or three, most likely, but at least they're hidden. Two left means they'll both have to back each other up, though.

3. He's something else. Can't say what this will do since we don't know what roles exist.


In a closed game like this, it seems Masons are a bit less valuable, since we can't be sure they're even there.
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« Reply #949 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:08am »
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I didn't say she confirmed my claim did I?

She confirmed the name Hector Sanchez as part of the series and that he would fit the Entrepeneur category.



You sure insinuated it.
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Sept 18, 2007, 3:05am, Mad The Swine wrote:
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I didn't say she confirmed my claim did I?

She confirmed the name Hector Sanchez as part of the series and that he would fit the Entrepeneur category.



You sure insinuated it.



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Sigh...it aint enough for ya'll that my name was confirmed by Cookies as well as the group name? That there have been no counter-claims?





What does that say?

It says my NAME was confirmed by cookies.
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« Reply #951 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:20am »
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Sheng, my brother...no need to confirm yet.

Only if I get in dire straights,which I'm sure you could figure out on your own.

In the unfortunate event you are Night killed,it will prove my crewiness.

I gotta believe I have put forth enough info to save me from a Daykill.

Just my 2 cents,do what you think is best brother.
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« Reply #952 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:20am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 3:08am, Rugger, Pygmy wrote:


You sure insinuated it.



Sept 18, 2007, 2:53am, Mad The Swine wrote:
Sigh...it aint enough for ya'll that my name was confirmed by Cookies as well as the group name? That there have been no counter-claims?





What does that say?

It says my NAME was confirmed by cookies.


What's your point? We still don't know if Hector and Sheng are good guys or bad guys. I'm willing to put you on the back burner for now, though, pending further evidence.
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« Reply #953 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:25am »
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Some of the posts on this page provoked some thinking.

Let's face it, this is a huge Day 1.

We have a large number of players (and yes 28 players is a huge game). The activity level of the players is going to be variable, and some (no names, no pack drill... not in this post anyway) have had a spate of posting diahorrea.

Consider the Day 1s of previous games.

Pirates : Day 1 ran to a total of 521 posts (plus any lost on the sunk Google Group). It had 23 players (or so).
Asylum Lane had 360 posts from 19 players.
The Cult of Sekham had 699 posts from 30 players.

This game had (when I started drafting) 944 replies from 28 players, some of whom are being criticised for making only minimal numbers of posts.

944!

And we still have three calendar days to go!

Is it any surprise that new players to our little clique feel intimidated?

Wouldn't it be better to cut them a little slack, rather than drive them away because they don't conform to expectations that we might have that they don't share?

I know how I'd feel faced by this monster of a thread if it was my first game.

"Where do I start? HELLLPPP!"

I know that I tend to post little in the early phases of the game simply because there are so many voices that I feel I don't want to be lost in the clamour. So I take my time reading and rereading, think my position through, and post. As the number of players shrink, my posting frequency increases simply because it's less likely that any point I want to make has already been covered by someone else. Maybe, just maybe, if we give the new players time to adjust to this game, they might blossom into good players?

I'd therefore ask everyone who has voted for a first-time player to rescind it. Allow NAFKat to do (one of) the jobs they signed up for. Managing the posting of players.
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« Reply #954 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:26am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 3:20am, Rugger, Pygmy wrote:

Sept 18, 2007, 3:15am, Mad The Swine wrote:




What does that say?

It says my NAME was confirmed by cookies.


What's your point? We still don't know if Hector and Sheng are good guys or bad guys. I'm willing to put you on the back burner for now, though, pending further evidence.


Gee.. thanks.
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« Reply #955 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:36am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 3:25am, mhaye wrote:

Is it any surprise that new players to our little clique feel intimidated?

Wouldn't it be better to cut them a little slack, rather than drive them away because they don't conform to expectations that we might have that they don't share?

I know how I'd feel faced by this monster of a thread if it was my first game.

"Where do I start? HELLLPPP!"

I know that I tend to post little in the early phases of the game simply because there are so many voices that I feel I don't want to be lost in the clamour. So I take my time reading and rereading, think my position through, and post. As the number of players shrink, my posting frequency increases simply because it's less likely that any point I want to make has already been covered by someone else. Maybe, just maybe, if we give the new players time to adjust to this game, they might blossom into good players?

I'd therefore ask everyone who has voted for a first-time player to rescind it. Allow NAFKat to do (one of) the jobs they signed up for. Managing the posting of players.


As you may have guessed, I agree with you. My proposal for a freeze was half for selfish reasons (I was quite distracted from really chewing on this game by the end of M5) and half with the noobs in mind.

And I agree that NAF and Kat are the best vehicle to prod folks. Unvote wtf.
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« Reply #956 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:40am »
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Oh grief. MadTheSwine - thou art an idiot.

The Sanchez brothers of Sanchez Ship Repair and Storage.

Friends of Mal and the Serenity who hide him after a heist.

AND FRIKKIN EASY TO SPOT ON GOOGLE WHEN GIVEN THE CORRECT INFO! >:(

Oh and they fit the description.

So, this raises a few very interesting points.

MadTheSwine is verifiable online as a Firefly character. The fact he could not find himself online just confused the issue.

If this is the case, I wonder if we can find all the characters online in some form or another, if we know what we are looking for.

Certain players had better start looking hard.

(Debates silently as to whether to unvote him or not.)
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« Reply #957 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:46am »
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Cat, thanks.

As a complete Firefly ignoramus, I tried googling the full name Mad gave and got nothing. Googling a slightly looser set of criteria gave me a reference to that on the first page.

So, Mad - for the moment, I'm going to put your claim in the "plausible" rack. That means, until evidence comes up contradicting you, that you probably are what you say and probably are crew-aligned. (Unless you informed on ship movements to the Alliance or something like that, of course...)
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« Reply #958 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:52am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 3:40am, CatInASuit wrote:
Oh grief. MadTheSwine - thou art an idiot.

The Sanchez brothers of Sanchez Ship Repair and Storage.

Friends of Mal and the Serenity who hide him after a heist.

AND FRIKKIN EASY TO SPOT ON GOOGLE WHEN GIVEN THE CORRECT INFO! >:(

Oh and they fit the description.

So, this raises a few very interesting points.

MadTheSwine is verifiable online as a Firefly character. The fact he could not find himself online just confused the issue.

If this is the case, I wonder if we can find all the characters online in some form or another, if we know what we are looking for.

Certain players had better start looking hard.

(Debates silently as to whether to unvote him or not.)


Blow it out your ass
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« Reply #959 on Sept 18, 2007, 3:54am »
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Blow it out your ass


What's your problem? You've been rude and condescending the whole game. You've already been warned once. If you're not having fun, ask for a sub.
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