The Sanchez brothers of Sanchez Ship Repair and Storage.
Friends of Mal and the Serenity who hide him after a heist.
AND FRIKKIN EASY TO SPOT ON GOOGLE WHEN GIVEN THE CORRECT INFO!
Oh and they fit the description.
So, this raises a few very interesting points.
MadTheSwine is verifiable online as a Firefly character. The fact he could not find himself online just confused the issue.
If this is the case, I wonder if we can find all the characters online in some form or another, if we know what we are looking for.
Certain players had better start looking hard.
(Debates silently as to whether to unvote him or not.)
Blow it out your ass
My apologies MadTheSwine, my comments were uncalled for.
I'm more annoyed at the turn of events (+ my lack of google-fu in not finding the reference earlier).
unvote MadTheSwine
simply because it is too convoluted for anyone to consider putting that together unless they were bastard mod GMs. (I thnk we know who that is aimed at )
Now to find target #4, which I can get horribly wrong again.
Some of the posts on this page provoked some thinking.
Let's face it, this is a huge Day 1.
We have a large number of players (and yes 28 players is a huge game). The activity level of the players is going to be variable, and some (no names, no pack drill... not in this post anyway) have had a spate of posting diahorrea.
Consider the Day 1s of previous games.
Pirates : Day 1 ran to a total of 521 posts (plus any lost on the sunk Google Group). It had 23 players (or so). Asylum Lane had 360 posts from 19 players. The Cult of Sekham had 699 posts from 30 players.
This game had (when I started drafting) 944 replies from 28 players, some of whom are being criticised for making only minimal numbers of posts.
944!
And we still have three calendar days to go!
Is it any surprise that new players to our little clique feel intimidated?
Wouldn't it be better to cut them a little slack, rather than drive them away because they don't conform to expectations that we might have that they don't share?
I know how I'd feel faced by this monster of a thread if it was my first game.
"Where do I start? HELLLPPP!"
I know that I tend to post little in the early phases of the game simply because there are so many voices that I feel I don't want to be lost in the clamour. So I take my time reading and rereading, think my position through, and post. As the number of players shrink, my posting frequency increases simply because it's less likely that any point I want to make has already been covered by someone else. Maybe, just maybe, if we give the new players time to adjust to this game, they might blossom into good players?
I'd therefore ask everyone who has voted for a first-time player to rescind it. Allow NAFKat to do (one of) the jobs they signed up for. Managing the posting of players.
My first thought on that is No. My job in this game is to find and vote for scum. Lurking is a known tactic. I don't want to give a noobie a free day pass just because they are new. Would you give them a pass if they posted and dropped scum tells continously? I didn't think so. So new players...get in here and post, make mistakes, and learn! I don't think tragic is in any danger of getting thrown out of the airlock yet in any case. Basically my vote is a reminder to her that she is in the game.
There is someone else that has been conspicously absent as of late. I know his weekends are busy, but he still has a vote on Roosh since post #96. That was how long ago? I think he needs a prod.
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My apologies MadTheSwine, my comments were uncalled for.
I'm more annoyed at the turn of events (+ my lack of google-fu in not finding the reference earlier).
unvote MadTheSwine
simply because it is too convoluted for anyone to consider putting that together unless they were bastard mod GMs. (I thnk we know who that is aimed at )
Now to find target #4, which I can get horribly wrong again.
What's your problem? You've been rude and condescending the whole game. You've already been warned once. If you're not having fun, ask for a sub.
Rude and condescending where? I am playing the game and enjoying it.
Don't care much for being called an idiot.
"Blow it out your ass,", in addition the the whole story debacle... that makes twice toDay.
Although I see you and Cat have both apologized, his point was that in your attempt to hide information from the scum, you've also kept the crew from determining if your claim is viable or not. We've had to basically milk it out of you, even after your name claim, when at that point, you could have just told us and saved a lot of suspicion, wondering, and frustration.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #965 on Sept 18, 2007, 4:09am »
There is one upside to this.
At least 2 people have said that they cannot find their own character name online.
If MadThSwine's name is there but hidden, then I reckon so should all the other names. His mason group would also account for the people not on the wikipedia lists.
At least 2 people have said that they cannot find their own character name online.
If MadThSwine's name is there but hidden, then I reckon so should all the other names. His mason group would also account for the people not on the wikipedia lists.
I sense scum!
I can't tell if you're joking or not, but I highly doubt one scum would say, "my name's not on the list!" and the rest of the scum would follow in suit. I wouldn't doubt if one or more of the aforementioned group were scum, but not all of them.
Rude and condescending where? I am playing the game and enjoying it.
Don't care much for being called an idiot.
"Blow it out your ass,", in addition the the whole story debacle... that makes twice toDay.
Although I see you and Cat have both apologized, his point was that in your attempt to hide information from the scum, you've also kept the crew from determining if your claim is viable or not. We've had to basically milk it out of you, even after your name claim, when at that point, you could have just told us and saved a lot of suspicion, wondering, and frustration.
Where was I warned? I don't remember that at all.
Please forgive me for trying to hide information from the scum...I am so sorry for that.
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Drain: There's a scrolly-dealy on the main page of the forum that shows the current lynch date. We no-lynch on the 20th, 6:30 on the east coast. (other times in the less important places in the world )
Assuming that Mad is on the up-and-up with the portions of his claim that he has shared with us, I think it is possible for players who (intimately) know the show/movie/whedonverse to determine the number of possible masons, in the right (obscure) context. As for "Entrepreneur" as a role, it would fit the relevant color, vague as that may be.
I was going to ask a question about whether or not it took a lot of mental gymnastics to get to that conclusion, and then I realized...
If Mad doesn't know the show intimately, as he asserts in Post 848 when he says that he has never watched the show, how would he have known at that point that supplying info about his no-name character (which he didn't even realize was a no-name character until Post 885) would "give away our numbers to those familiar with the show"? He says that his name and the names of all of his masonry aren't in the wiki or IMDB. So how could that given the scum info, without complicated mental gymnastics that someone unfamiliar with the show would not have known about?
unvote Diomedes, vote MadTheSwine.
EDIT NOTE: Edited by NAF, fixed coding
Just to let you know in case you didn't see it, CatInASuit asked/pointed out the same exact thing earlier.
Anyway, pending the new info coming to light, observances, reactions, wordings, and personal feelings/guts/thoughts, I am leaning more toward believing Mad than not.
This whole game, really, for TRUE town, isn't trying to find scum alone. If you do that every Day, you're going to get misled an awful lot (and even sometimes anyway). Sure, finding and eliminating scum IS the main focus, but how do you do that, exactly? I think the game hinges on many steps. One being (and again, this is for all the players who are ACTUALLY, really town) that as each Day comes, you ask yourself "who is it best to vote for?" and cast a vote for them.
Ahh, but in THIS game that is not so easy since we need a majority now to lynch. That means everyone else has to agree with you too, otherwise there's a risk of not having one. And time is starting to grow short. I see a LOT of one off votes. And by a lot, I mean a whole hellofa lot. This is BAD. VERY bad, if you're true town. We can't have this. We need to all agree on someone and know/remember that scum will be here trying to gum up the works. They'd WANT a nolynch to happen, I'd think. Whether it's killing off a person who is not of their group or a no-lynch, either way, they win. But I actually think a no-lynch is slightly better for them because it doesn't give out any information. It doesn't show or tells us one way or the other who is who or if they were really who they said they were. It's like a Hobson's choice...but I believe the best choice is to lynch every Day.
So that being said, back to my main point, we need to agree on someone, and to do that, you all need to ask yourself (those of you who are really Town, that is), maybe scum or maybe not, who is the BEST choice? Who LOOKS to be the most suspicious toDay? Who is probably best for it? And also....who doesn't? I think you need to ask yourself who you're NOT going to vote for just as much as who you think should be or are leaning towards. Process of elimination and all that.
So, that being said, here are the people I don't see a reason for voting for toDay:
Roosh and dnooman I believe (for now). As time goes on and I read more and more posts, I'm also starting to rethink my stance on Dio and am starting to lean more towards giving Mad the benifet of the doubt.
But there's the hard choice. Do people just not vote for those they feel are town and risk no lynch? Or do they go against their own feelings and vote for someone they put some faith in?
I have no idea what any of you all would do, but we're coming close to the deadline and there's not even close to a majority on anybody.
What does everyone propose we do? Thoughts? Comments? I'd like to hear what everyone thinks and what everyone is willing or not willing to do if time keeps going on and we come no closer to a lynch.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #973 on Sept 18, 2007, 4:42am »
FTR, since I see I've gotten at least one vote, I'm in the process of catching up, and I may not finish today since there's so many gorram posts to read (+/- 300, oy).
Please forgive me for trying to hide information from the scum...I am so sorry for that.
My sincere apologizes. It was story and mtgman who were warned. Since you and story were involved in a dispute around the same time, I thought it was all three of you.
The point isn't that you tried to hide information from scum. The point is that, in doing so, you've hidden information from those who have their votes on you, also. This is information that could be used to verify you. Heck, I could even buy into the fact that there are more than two Entrepreneurs, and two of them happen to be brothers. If you had told us originally that you were Hector, and Entrepreneur, of the Sanchez Brothers ship repair, the scum may have even thought that there were more than two brothers, or that there were other shops that may have been involved in the Entrepreneur group. A Chamber of Commerce, of sorts.
In addition, you've twice used grudges from past games to try and smear somebody. Everybody is familiar with story, and here's the other one:
[quote author=catinasuit board=game thread=1189466937 post=1189992386]<snip> Based on my PM, I figured anyone familiar with the show would easily determine how many of us there are.
When did I say I wasn't given a named character?
Seems like you wanna pick on Mad ..cause he always seems scummy...we all know gorram well I wont be Night killed,so you are just trying to get an easy Day kill seems to me...sorta like another time I remember.
In addition, in that very quote, you claim that "anyone familiar with the show" would easily determine how many mason type characters there are. Then you say there are two, and only two brothers. Now, if you hadn't said "look, guys, there are only two masons," you could have claimed your role, given us enough information to believe your claim, and still kept your numbers a secret. I don't think you're an idiot, which is why I don't understand why you wouldn't have realized this, if you really were a mason, and thinking from that perspective.
The point is moot, I'm not going to place my vote on a possible Mason, but I did want to make my thoughts known for when the subject comes up again.
This whole game, really, for TRUE town, isn't trying to find scum alone. If you do that every Day, you're going to get misled an awful lot (and even sometimes anyway). Sure, finding and eliminating scum IS the main focus, but how do you do that, exactly? I think the game hinges on many steps. One being (and again, this is for all the players who are ACTUALLY, really town) that as each Day comes, you ask yourself "who is it best to vote for?" and cast a vote for them.
I've been asking myself that question every day now for a week and every time I think I have an answer, something comes along to muck it all up again.
I guess for now I'll revote Diomedes, since my issue with his "me, too!" votes still exists. I'm not as convinced as I was with Roosh and dnooman and Mad, but that's probably a good thing.
What does everyone propose we do? Thoughts? Comments? I'd like to hear what everyone thinks and what everyone is willing or not willing to do if time keeps going on and we come no closer to a lynch.
I think the best idea would be run-off voting. The biggest problem with that, I think is that we ought to have a couple of days after the initial vote to sort out the top two or three contenders. I don't know if we have that time now.
Please forgive me for trying to hide information from the scum...I am so sorry for that.
My sincere apologizes. It was story and mtgman who were warned. Since you and story were involved in a dispute around the same time, I thought it was all three of you.
The point isn't that you tried to hide information from scum. The point is that, in doing so, you've hidden information from those who have their votes on you, also. This is information that could be used to verify you. Heck, I could even buy into the fact that there are more than two Entrepreneurs, and two of them happen to be brothers. If you had told us originally that you were Hector, and Entrepreneur, of the Sanchez Brothers ship repair, the scum may have even thought that there were more than two brothers, or that there were other shops that may have been involved in the Entrepreneur group. A Chamber of Commerce, of sorts.
In addition, you've twice used grudges from past games to try and smear somebody. Everybody is familiar with story, and here's the other one:
[quote author=catinasuit board=game thread=1189466937 post=1189992386]<snip> Based on my PM, I figured anyone familiar with the show would easily determine how many of us there are.
When did I say I wasn't given a named character?
Seems like you wanna pick on Mad ..cause he always seems scummy...we all know gorram well I wont be Night killed,so you are just trying to get an easy Day kill seems to me...sorta like another time I remember.
In addition, in that very quote, you claim that "anyone familiar with the show" would easily determine how many mason type characters there are. Then you say there are two, and only two brothers. Now, if you hadn't said "look, guys, there are only two masons," you could have claimed your role, given us enough information to believe your claim, and still kept your numbers a secret. I don't think you're an idiot, which is why I don't understand why you wouldn't have realized this, if you really were a mason, and thinking from that perspective.
The point is moot, I'm not going to place my vote on a possible Mason, but I did want to make my thoughts known for when the subject comes up again.
Ok..you say that I am warned for being rude and condescending(which I wasn't)
You also say now,that I said there are two and only two brothers..(which I did not say).
I have no problem using situations from past games that "might" be relevant.
I am concerned about your ,now twice(maybe more?),attempts about trying to finger me for something that did not happen.
[quote author=pygmyrugger board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190054958]You also say now,that I said there are two and only two brothers..(which I did not say).
[quote author=madtheswine board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190055895][quote author=pygmyrugger board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190054958]I have no problem using situations from past games that "might" be relevant.
I can forgive the first case, with story, since it'd be hypocritical of me to do otherwise, since I misremembered that story was arguing with somebody else, within a page or two of arguing with you, when he was warned. However, how was your smudge of Cat at all appropriate in the context of this game?
[quote author=pygmyrugger board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190054958] I am concerned about your ,now twice(maybe more?),attempts about trying to finger me for something that did not happen.
I count exactly one time I said something about you that did not happen. But, with you fighting with story, and him getting warned very soon after, I simply misremembered.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #982 on Sept 18, 2007, 5:22am »
Sorry for the tripple post, but I forgot to close a quote tag.
"I count exactly one time I said something about you that did not happen. But, with you fighting with story, and him getting warned very soon after, I simply misremembered.", were my words, not Mad's.
*sigh* I'll believe Mad since he's a Character IN the game, and a "nice" guy sounding character for the moment. And he may be able to help verify his mason buddy. (But a Devil's Advocate: 2 Scum could easily try to do this as well. "Break off" from teh scum group and call themselves a mason group of 2, but points in mad's favor: He did point out he is a newbie to the FireFly world, and he did Claim a role that could possibly be in the game. So if its the FF world, and in the game, there's a risk that comes along with it of being counterclaimed. So therefore, I'm thinking he's less ballsy to take such a risk if he's scum. So i'm gonna believe him.).
so that goes back to my other target that I said i'd vote for. One of 2. :shrug: Unvote Sanchez the Swine Vote Dotchan. The idea of having Non-FireFly named characters at ALL is suprising (like i was thinking maybe a Firefly related character, but one not mentioned in the wiki, but def. in the 'verse somewhere could be possible. But to create a random Townie character named Ramone? If i was a mod, I'd at least give Ramone some decent powers or something. Why waste a shiny name on a townie?)
So i'm curious to know the truth. And if it IS a townie, it's the least harmful vote toDay then, because I cannot find any scum currently on my radar and I dont want to risk hurting a PowerRole.
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Where in that post does it say "there are two and only two brothers"?
It doesn't.
The fact that there ARE only two of us doesn't matter.You seem to be trying(STILL for some reason) to Day kill the crazy pig.
Doesn't sit well with me(obviously). <snip>
I'm not trying to get you killed. If I were, I'd be voting for you. I'm trying to figure out why you've been acting like you have. I know your fan dance is typical, but I'm still struggling to understand it.
Can you please tell me how this is logical:
1. You say there are two brothers (two masons). 2. I say you said there were only two brothers. 3. You say you didn't say there were only two brothers, and vote for me. 4. I say... umm??? 5 You say oh, yeah, there are two brothers (two masons).
I can forgive the first case, with story, since it'd be hypocritical of me to do otherwise, since I misremembered that story was arguing with somebody else, within a page or two of arguing with you, when he was warned. However, how was your smudge of Cat at all appropriate in the context of this game?
[quote author=madtheswine board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190055895][quote author=pygmyrugger board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190054958] I am concerned about your ,now twice(maybe more?),attempts about trying to finger me for something that did not happen.
I count exactly one time I said something about you that did not happen. But, with you fighting with story, and him getting warned very soon after, I simply misremembered.
unvote storyteller Vote Pygmy
I was being rude..to Catinasuit as was he.Therefore I felt the need to apoligize..as did he.
Again you are twisting facts..interesting.
My smudge of catinasuit was relevant because his smudge of me reminded me of drains smudge of me in the previous game.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #987 on Sept 18, 2007, 5:39am »
Well, I already have a FoS on you Roosh, so I'll just jab at you with my pointy accusatory finger some more.
Voting for me just to verify my name claim? What happened to not voting for claimed people if no counterclaim popped up?
What part of THERE ISN'T NECESSARILY A 1 TO 1 CORRELATION OF GOOD GUYS TO BAD GUYS IN THIS GAME that you don't dong ma? Do I need to put this is size 72 blinking font? This is exactly why you got lambasted for your "let's all mass nameclaim day one for great justice!" plan.
Yes, we can afford a mislynch on Day 1. But I'd much rather go scumhunting, instead of shooting for a "safe" or "easy" play.
Where in that post does it say "there are two and only two brothers"?
It doesn't.
The fact that there ARE only two of us doesn't matter.You seem to be trying(STILL for some reason) to Day kill the crazy pig.
Doesn't sit well with me(obviously). <snip>
I'm not trying to get you killed. If I were, I'd be voting for you. I'm trying to figure out why you've been acting like you have. I know your fan dance is typical, but I'm still struggling to understand it.
Can you please tell me how this is logical:
1. You say there are two brothers (two masons). 2. I say you said there were only two brothers. 3. You say you didn't say there were only two brothers, and vote for me. 4. I say... umm??? 5 You say oh, yeah, there are two brothers (two masons).
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #989 on Sept 18, 2007, 5:46am »
I find myself in the same boat as Roosh here. I've got quite a few people tallied as good guys, but none have pinged the ole scumdar hard so far. NONE. I find that alarming. Now that Blaster has come in and posted, I'll
unvote Blaster Master
I also find myself in agreement with Roosh on the Dotchan situation. I find it incredibly odd that there is no Ramiro listed anywhere...either wiki or fireflyfans.net. I'd rather a vanilla crewperson get shoved out the airlock than a potential power role. Of course, I'd much rather it be a scum. Which Dotchan might be seeing as how her name claim is a bit fuzzy round the edges. I'm willing to go with my instincts here and
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