By the bye, we're now sitting at 9 votes for Cat, 7 for dot, and five unassorted votes.
Because I came out so much in favor of the run-off, I think we're down to the point where I'm just going to accept the results of it. reunvote: dotrevote: Cat
This puts us at dotchan (6): Roosh, CatInASuite, sinjin, Cookies, drainbead, diggitcamera
I have a seminar tomorrow and will have no computer access until very close to deadline. I may have a chance to change my vote tomorrow morning before I leave, but that's up in the air. I don't want to change my vote to Cat until I see what plays out overnight. If it comes down to potentially needing my vote to avoid a no-lynch, I'll switch tomorrow morning. Until then, I'd prefer to keep my vote where it is.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1264 on Yesterday at 10:11am »
Just great. Now if I (or anyone else on still on the dot train) go wandering off through the thread to convince myself to switch my vote to Cat, I'll potentially be the straw that broke the camel's back forcing Cat to claim. If I hold my vote where it is until after Cat's potentially pending claim, and I don't like what I hear and decide to change my vote, I risk suspicion as a hammerer. GAAAAAHHHHH!!!
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Just great. Now if I (or anyone else on still on the dot train) go wandering off through the thread to convince myself to switch my vote to Cat, I'll potentially be the straw that broke the camel's back forcing Cat to claim. If I hold my vote where it is until after Cat's potentially pending claim, and I don't like what I hear and decide to change my vote, I risk suspicion as a hammerer. GAAAAAHHHHH!!!
I hate you all.
(Fluff) Hey, at least you haven't been standing on a bandwagon with a rope tied around your neck. (/Fluff)
Not Fluff: I've looked over Cat's post, and while they aren't as scummy as some of my top suspects, it looks like it could be either him or me as the timeline wears down.
So I'm going to do the selfish thing and vote CatInASuit
Gah, and I hate us all too, me especially, because I can't find that quote. So, [emily litella]neverminde[/emily litella]. And I am not going to fire up my vids again, no matter what.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1267 on Yesterday at 11:34am »
I can see some potenially scummy stuff in CatinaSuit's posting, but not enough to convince me to add my vote right this minute.
I was tempted to add my vote simply because it allowed me to shift my vote from Dotchan, who I believe is town. I'm not sure that is a smart impulse on my part. So I have left my vote hanging for the moment after unvoting Dot.
I think I'd like to hear a name-claim from CatinaSuit, but I know if he does it is just going to introduce another doubt in my mind about who I should vote for.
So I think my plan at the moment is to wait and see if Cat claims (name or role) and reappraise when/if that happens.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1268 on Yesterday at 12:14pm »
Yes, Blaster Master, I do happen to have a plan. It's called "get rid of the Alliance scum". If I come up with what I think is a useful idea, I'm going to post it. Especially since (theoretically at least) the Day could end at any time, and who knows who'll be here tomorrow. Call it suspicious if you want, but that's what I'm thinking about.
I'll admit that whatever you got from it, my tone in that post was "pissed off". I was getting annoyed over what was, unintentional or no, something that was clearly playing into the scum's hands. Thankfully this Day will be over soon, and I don't think it went as terribly as I thought. Tomorrow we will know something real.
In case anyone's wondering, I'll claim a provisional vote for CatInASuit. If the hammer doesn't drop tonight, I'm leaning toward him in the 'runoff'.
Out of curiosity (and this is a general question) at what point SHOULD we claim if the wagon rolls our way? 10 votes? 12?
You can read my opinion on this in my last few posts. If you agree, I think it's pretty safe to even wait for 14 when there's more than a day or two left in the game. Obviously you can form your own opinion, but I think that somewhere above 25% of the votes (halfway to a lynch) ought to be a minimum.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1269 on Yesterday at 12:17pm »
Unvote Idle Thoughts Vote Catinasuit
I still don't think Dot is scum, as I've explained before. We need a lynch today, and I find Cat to be scummy.
Since hammer votes are required here, a hammer vote will not be seen as a huge scum tell. It might need to be explained a bit, but we can't all pussyfoot around the hammer vote once we get close to the deadline.
Yes, Blaster Master, I do happen to have a plan. It's called "get rid of the Alliance scum". If I come up with what I think is a useful idea, I'm going to post it. Especially since (theoretically at least) the Day could end at any time, and who knows who'll be here tomorrow. Call it suspicious if you want, but that's what I'm thinking about.
I'll admit that whatever you got from it, my tone in that post was "pissed off". I was getting annoyed over what was, unintentional or no, something that was clearly playing into the scum's hands. Thankfully this Day will be over soon, and I don't think it went as terribly as I thought. Tomorrow we will know something real.
In case anyone's wondering, I'll claim a provisional vote for CatInASuit. If the hammer doesn't drop tonight, I'm leaning toward him in the 'runoff'.
Out of curiosity (and this is a general question) at what point SHOULD we claim if the wagon rolls our way? 10 votes? 12?
You can read my opinion on this in my last few posts. If you agree, I think it's pretty safe to even wait for 14 when there's more than a day or two left in the game. Obviously you can form your own opinion, but I think that somewhere above 25% of the votes (halfway to a lynch) ought to be a minimum.
Provisional: 1. providing or serving for the time being only; existing only until permanently or properly replaced; temporary
If you are meaning the vote to be counted for now, you might want to clarify that, or revote in blue. You can always unvote.
Just as a recap: We're sitting on 12 votes for CatInaSuit. dotchan remains at 6, and I'm sitting at 2.
I imagine it's unlikely we'll get enough steam rolling to lynch dot or I today, so our choices are, I'm pretty sure at this point, lynch Cat or no lynch. I'd like Cat to have a chance at doing some sort of miraculous roleclaim, but his time seems to be running out. There are several people (Greedy and panama, at least) who have suggested they'll vote for Cat if that's the only way to avoid a no lynch and this might be that time.
Worrying overmuch about dropping the final hammer vote is probably a bad idea, but we might want to give Cat at least until tomorrow morning to make some sort of statement before person #15 rams the vote home.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1272 on Yesterday at 12:36pm »
Completely agree Dio. I think it has gotten to the point where it is going to be Cat or no one being lynched.
I do however want to hear from Cat before I place my vote, if for no other reason than giving Cat the opportunity to role claim if he is so inclined. I say role claim because I think at the moment the only thing that will save Cat is a power role claim.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1273 on Yesterday at 12:38pm »
17 hours 52 minutes left. Reminder the Day will end with no lynch at exactly at 3:30 pacific time (17 hours 52 minutes from this post) if no one has 15 votes.
Otherwise once the 15th vote is place the Day will end instantly, even if neither Kat or myself are online to announce it. Once that vote is placed it is officially Night and no more discussion of strategy may occur. This includes futher voting and unvoting.
Cat is currently 3 votes away from a lynch. Everyone else is further.
Completely agree Dio. I think it has gotten to the point where it is going to be Cat or no one being lynched.
I do however want to hear from Cat before I place my vote, if for no other reason than giving Cat the opportunity to role claim if he is so inclined. I say role claim because I think at the moment the only thing that will save Cat is a power role claim.
It is taking some getting used to, but I know that hammer is not necessarily a "bad thing" in this game. Having the hammer drop before Cat (or whoever else ends up in the hot seat down the line) has a chance to claim is what I'm worrying about at the moment, even as I'm simultaneously agreeing with panama that the claim should be held off as long as possible.
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I still don't think Dot is scum, as I've explained before. We need a lynch today, and I find Cat to be scummy.
Since hammer votes are required here, a hammer vote will not be seen as a huge scum tell. It might need to be explained a bit, but we can't all pussyfoot around the hammer vote once we get close to the deadline.
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Having the hammer drop before Cat (or whoever else ends up in the hot seat down the line) has a chance to claim is what I'm worrying about at the moment, even as I'm simultaneously agreeing with panama that the claim should be held off as long as possible.
In this particular case, a claim is welcome at any time, I think. The sooner the better, if the day is coming to a close, I think. Although we don't want to lynch power roles, we also want to have enough time to reorganize the lynch mob.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1278 on Yesterday at 1:06pm »
Just to clarify, my 'provisional' vote simply meant that I'll switch to it in the event that it becomes necessary (which is pending, at this point, CatInASuit's likely role claim). I guess it's a 'provisional switch' to be more proper. It's not at all official (but yes, I did screw up coloring before).
My vote stands on diomedes (and hopefully will stay there). I know we aren't going to forget about him Tomorrow, but I just want it on the record.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1279 on Yesterday at 1:09pm »
quick follow-up - At this point in the Day a role claim would be welcome as soon as possible. I'm only advocating holding off for future Days, when it isn't less than a day before no-lynch.
I belive CatInASuit is in the UK, so expect no activity until the sun reaches that part of the world again, at the earliest. Probably around 3-4 AM EDT.
If people are that worried about Hammering, I'll volunteer to do it myself. Only problem, I won't be here from after 9am Eastern Time. (6am PST). And I want to give the Man a chance to claim. But... if he's done so by 9am and I don't buy it, I'll droppa the Hammah.
So, I'll prolly be switching my vote when I wake up in the morning, or perhaps even later tonight (2am EST) over to CatinASuit, barring a Believable PowerRoleClaim.
But i have no idea what TimeZone Cat is in. So... :shrug: They've got 2.5 hours till I check again. And about 9 hours before I switch over my vote for good. I will support a lynch today. No matter what.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1282 on Yesterday at 1:50pm »
I'm still withholding my vote.
The people I'm most suspicious of have few or no votes at all.
I'll be back on for sure just before the scheduled close of the day. If there's a convincing case against someone and consensus has not yet been reached, then I will place my vote.
My reason being that I disagree with the premise that I've heard many imply: that no lynch is worse than lynching town. Lynching scum on the first day is of course a great situation, but they're still going to kill a town at night. That's two dead town. That's bad. Unless, of course, you're scum.
I'm guessing at most half, at least a quarter of CatInASuit's votes are scum. Substantiation of that is the sudden jump in votes for him once the number reached a significantly high threshold.
I'm not going to vote for someone I don't believe is scum. I hope something substantial comes forth in the next few hours so I can vote in confidence.
I'm guessing at most half, at least a quarter of CatInASuit's votes are scum. Substantiation of that is the sudden jump in votes for him once the number reached a significantly high threshold.
In any other game I've played, I'd probably be inclined to agree with you here, but with our "(.5(#of living players)+1) to lynch" rule, I'd expect that such sudden jumps could easily be higher in townie concentration.
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The people I'm most suspicious of have few or no votes at all.
I'll be back on for sure just before the scheduled close of the day. If there's a convincing case against someone and consensus has not yet been reached, then I will place my vote.
My reason being that I disagree with the premise that I've heard many imply: that no lynch is worse than lynching town. Lynching scum on the first day is of course a great situation, but they're still going to kill a town at night. That's two dead town. That's bad. Unless, of course, you're scum.
I'm guessing at most half, at least a quarter of CatInASuit's votes are scum. Substantiation of that is the sudden jump in votes for him once the number reached a significantly high threshold.
I'm not going to vote for someone I don't believe is scum. I hope something substantial comes forth in the next few hours so I can vote in confidence.
Lynching known town is a lot worse than lynching scum. The only problem is, is that Cat's roleclaim is the least backed up of all the most popular candidates right now. In all other respects, your post is probably dead on. I would agree at very minimum, three votes on Cat right now are scum, whether he's scum or not.
The case put before the town right now, unfortunately, is no longer: who do you think is scum? It's: do you think Cat could be scum? There's no reasonable possibility of lynching anyone else right now, so a vote for anyone else is somewhat a symbolic vote.
Look at it this way: We have 5 semi-substantiated claims. I think it'd be very strange if more than one of them was a false claim, so let's go with 4 townies taken out of the random mix. There's probably around 6 scum in a game of 28 players. There're two more masons, in addition to Mad, if we believe his claim. There are probably at least four more power roles of varying degrees in addition to Roosh and I, if you believe our claims. Cat has claimed vanilla, so...
There's a six in 19 chance he's lying. Just under one in three odds. I don't know what that compares to changing our odds with a no-lynch, but I want to say that we're rolling semi-decent dice here.
At least make sure, as you're hcekcing people out, to pay closer attention to Cat's claims first. He's our only lynch opportunity, and we'll have another chance to lynch anyone (less whomever doesn't wake up) tomorrow.
I haven't seen this, and it doesn't show up under recent posts for Cat. All I see is him questioning whether he should claim (at that time) or no. It's been a long thread, though. Was this something that happened earlier that I missed?
I haven't seen this, and it doesn't show up under recent posts for Cat. All I see is him questioning whether he should claim (at that time) or no. It's been a long thread, though. Was this something that happened earlier that I missed?
Good morning all,
Diomedes: Where did I claim vanilla? I have said nothing about who am I and what I can do.
I haven't seen this, and it doesn't show up under recent posts for Cat. All I see is him questioning whether he should claim (at that time) or no. It's been a long thread, though. Was this something that happened earlier that I missed?
Good morning all,
Diomedes: Where did I claim vanilla? I have said nothing about who am I and what I can do.
This reflects negatively on both Dio and Cat IMO.
Cat, you're obviously reading the thread and have seen the requests for your role claim, yet have chosen to not do so. Why?
A post that reveals nothing after multiple requests for a role claim, is suspect to say the least IMO. Seems to me like you're still trying to figure out a fake claim. Had you been town, and had town interests in mind, you would have claimed by now. You have officially seen the end of the thread, seen the vote count, seen the requests for your role claim, seen the deadline time, and failed to claim anything, let alone the townie power role you're expected to claim in order to stay alive.
Whatever you say now is almost irrelevant. You're basically asking for a hammer now. I'm inclined to let you have it, and I almost wish I could vote for you twice.
I can't believe what I'm seeing here. You need to die.
The people I'm most suspicious of have few or no votes at all.
This would be good to know before you die. Live every day as if it's your last. Unless you're looking for reasons to get killed tonight by scum. "no lynch is worse than lynching town " --The Reason most people would disagree with this statement, is simply thus forth: Lynching KNOWN town is bad obviously. Lynching the most suspicious person is still better than a No-Lynch. Because if you do NOT lynch the most suspicious person, that person will still be alive the next day (because any decent scum worth half his weight will obviously not lynch the suspicious people in the town's eyes). So basically what happens is you GIVE the scum a free kill, and then you're right back where you started. The scummy townie person is still there, and you still don't know if they're scum or town. Thusly, you've wasted a day trying to figure out what they were, and now you're right back to where you started minus one voter.
That's why usually a No-Lynch is WORSE than lynching someone. However, you're phrasing it as a No lynch vs. a KNOWN townie. There's a huge difference there, and we as a town aren't sure yet of anyone's roles 100%. That's why your feelings don't apply here. A lynch is still a lynching of the most suspicious person. Townie, Scum or Other.
Because then at least the next day, we're still down a Nightkilled person, but now we don't have the WIFOMing Person that we chose to not lynch still around. We can move on and find NEW targets. That's why scum would want to go with No-Lynches OR Lynches= It helps them EITHER way. A no lynch gives them the ability to WIFOM more, while a Lynch helps them get to the endgame quicker. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. That's why in those scenarios you want to avoid them, but you want to Avoid the No-Lynch as well, because that just means the next day you're back at square one again. With no real new information, unless something real crazy comes up during the night kills. But in a plain generic game of mafia, it's a wasted day, and a freebie nightkill for scum basically then.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Btw, do you feel like defending yourself, Cat? I'm actually quite curious to hear your defense/name claim/whatever you feel is needed, and perhaps soon, as I am going to be up for another hour, and would love to hear something so i can settle my vote before tomorrow morning. Because as of right now, I will vote for either you or Dotchan. So what do you have to say in your defense, since you are here?
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Diomedes: Where did I claim vanilla? I have said nothing about who am I and what I can do.
This reflects negatively on both Dio and Cat IMO.
Cat, you're obviously reading the thread and have seen the requests for your role claim, yet have chosen to not do so. Why?
A post that reveals nothing after multiple requests for a role claim, is suspect to say the least IMO. Seems to me like you're still trying to figure out a fake claim. Had you been town, and had town interests in mind, you would have claimed by now. You have officially seen the end of the thread, seen the vote count, seen the requests for your role claim, seen the deadline time, and failed to claim anything, let alone the townie power role you're expected to claim in order to stay alive.
Whatever you say now is almost irrelevant. You're basically asking for a hammer now. I'm inclined to let you have it, and I almost wish I could vote for you twice.
I can't believe what I'm seeing here. You need to die.
Charming post dnooman, I have been asleep for the past 8 hours or so and no-one had really said anything about me role-claiming other than Roosh. (He said no)
But as I now have a double digit amount of votes, I guess a roleclaim is necessary.