1) I initially voted for you because I felt like you were fishing and playing bait and hook with us. Post 96
The Truth is, is because it is what it is. I was fishing for experience level of the players there. Because in order for my idea to work, it would be useful to know who were the most experienced viewers of FF, because they would be able to claim the more obscure roles. This is before I started to read through the wikipedia article to realize that there were enough ambiguous roles in there alone.
2) Then you finally come along with your grand master plan, which essentially boils down to we get people's names, and if no one counters, we trust them as town, and end with a poorly reasoned vote for me and asking me to role claim. Post 241
2. Yes. That was my fault. I was over excited there, and well. It was a REALLY stupid post to make. Basically I gave you an OMGUS vote. Cuz at the time... well you sucked, it was the purest OMGUS vote possible. You trashed my idea. I really worked hard on my idea, and then you came along and crushed it. I was really upset, and so yeah, that was an angry post at you, and I did remove the vote from you. But again, I humped up there. My idea was my baby, and I was 100% behind it, i thought it was awesome, and I didn't see the holes in it. Others have pointed out the holes, and I have listened, but they also did it in a nicer manner, and I shouldn't have voted for you for that reason, but hey... it sparked a lot of discussion? -That's why I've been apologizing over it and my ideas, because this whole game i've been playing by the seat of my pants, and I really shouldn't have. I think it might have hurt the town, only because my valid good ideas are now buried in the muck. I will certainly not be posting as much on future days, but its a liability already. I wish i could restart my style, but i can't. So I gotta live with all the stuff i've posted.
3) Probably poorly worded and a bit snippy, but boiling down to the idea that you're making an enormous number of unprovable (and since invalidated) assumptions. Post 255
...then follows a whole bunch of people discussing the various holes in your plan
Yeah. Again. I was excited about this plan. I thought it would work. I got the feedback, and I see the failures. I think i've apologized enough for it. But here's a question: Why the guay if i'm scum would I want to throw myself out to the wolves like this with an idea like this to begin with? I mean, I knew from the start I was going to get votes, I actually counted on it. But i've also tried to explain/defend/whatever i can to help this town along. Every idea/suggestion out there I've commented my thoughts, and my feelings on. However, at this point, it may take my death to clear my name and make you guys see that my points are valid ones.
However, there are a lot of assumptions in there too. Why? Because i've been looking for the loopholes. I thought I had found one, and from that I've been trying to use it to help us out as a town: I got the idea from MafiaScum. I figured since they use it so much, it seemed like a good thing for us to use. I even pm'ed NAF about how much we could claim, and got the all clear for it. But then I had to convince you guys. Obviously, I've kinda failed at that. Here's a link to the idea. Game Breaking --I suppose it could even be considered a bit unfair. It IS called GameBreaking for a reason, that's why I tried to create a fairer version for our own game w/ NAF's permission. But again. It was not perhaps my best moment....
4) Suddenly, you start talking about how full of holes your plan is, but you still want to follow it. I also mention what I think is a very big distinction 'twixt name claim and role claim, and a huge inconsistency in your post grand plan post with regard to your vote and role claim request of me.
please see above. Calmer voices have pointed out my mistakes. I can see the flaws. The Harry Potter Mafia, and the fact that there are non-wikied random roles both are good reasons why my ideas won't work so well. But i think it has Potential. I just think we as a town lack enough information to use my ideas currently. But it's something i think you all should consider in perhaps 2-3 days if the information from the night kills start to show the roles are correlated. But again, its not for here and now.
5) Then dnooman claims, and you contradict yourself by claiming your plan clears him simply because no one counter-claimed.
This is actually what I wanted my idea to be. Like I didn't explain it very well, but what I wanted was pretty much this. I didn't want any roleclaims or anything like that (even though i used the word with you, I'm sorry now for those choices, but again, only in death can i get cleared, it's just my word right now). I wanted it simply to be everyone names their roles, and we see if anyone overlaps. If none do, then we continue playing the game. However, I didnt' want that because if the roles WERE correlated, then it'd be bad for our Power Roles to claim even just their names. So i had to fig. out how do you get some people to claim over others? That's what created my suggestion of 2-3 players. Because i reasoned that the top 2-3 players are probably going to be considered the "scummiest" by the town to begin with, so why not use this as an extra security measure/test to see if you can easily trip up a scum who might pick someone else's role? But again, now I see that yes, scum could be given their own role/names that they could use, and we wouldn't be able to identify them because no one else COULD have the name.
That is the major flaw in my idea. I hope we can fix this somehow, but it'll prolly be up to the rest of you to do so when I'm gone. If i die, please don't dismiss my ideas as crazy townie playing. I do have a lot of valid ideas that might have been present overeagerly, and "lost in the noise" so to speak. And for that, i realize it sucks. =( But please come back and visit them for my sake.
6) I'm completely confused by this, because it seems to clearly contradict your plan, which you're sticking to, despite it having holes poked in it, and the premises being invalidated.
Yeah. I really like my baby. As i said. i've been flying by the seat of my pants. I've made a lot of really stupid posts, and I actually went back and changed it, because i got some new info. But right now it looks scummy. So only death can help some of the WIFOM.
~~~~Wait. There's more numbers?!?!? THE FUCK! GODDAMNIT~~~
Sigh. I've been c/p each issue as i saw them. Apparently there's more.
1) Fishing for knowledge about the show and for roles names, while fully aware there could be correlation 'twixt certain power roles with major characters, but not necessarily a correlation with the scum.
--Guilty. Ignorance, and once i realized, i stopped the fishing. But. Yeah. Guilty.
2) I want you to address the inconsistency with regard to you asking me to role claim with only one vote, after specificly stating in the same post that we should pick the top 2-3 candidates and ask them.
Okay. I'll try to explain it again. You were my choice. It was an OMGUS choice. But you were my choice as to who should reveal their names and do basically what Dnoo just did. I didn't realize it was going to come off so forceful, and it was CLEARLY incoherent. But obviously if we had to pick 2-3 people, they should be considered "the scummiest" and how do you point that you think someone is scummy? You vote for them. So i voted for you as my candidate for revealing your name. In retrospect, I shouldn't have said "RoleClaim!" at all, and I should have said nominate you first. or something like that. But I was angry. You did just trash my baby that I had been building since when I first recieved my role.
So yeah. That "RoleClaim" thing, well, it just makes me look REALLY scummy. But I've said it then, and again, I was just voting for you. Because If i picked the 2-3 people, that'd be stupid. Obviously we'd need a town consensus/majority of people. That's why I wanted your name to go down as one of the people in the top 3. And do so I had to vote for you. But you took it as me actually directly telling You that you had to role claim. Which was not my intent at the time, but I can see how you can interpret that. Again, i've done a lot of things I wish i could go back and change. Edit feature/delete feature would be my friend this game. But i suppose again, it's just my word against your interpretation of my words. Which does make me look guilty as guay. But then I'm really stupid scum, ain't I? Don't answer that.
5) You have no addressed, at least to my satisfaction, how a name-claim offers ANY evidence to support the towniness of someone. We now have distinct evidence that there are potentially ambiguous roles; thus, there's potentially no need for scum to have to claim anything other than their own name.
I agree with you there. It's one reason i've been apologizing so gorram much for my idea. Since then I've realized it needs work. I see the flaws Now. Great. Now that I know that, I won't rely on it as much. Until we get a better system in place.
6) You seem to be back-pedalling on your plan, and have admitted in more than one post that it has flaws and holes, yet you still use it to unvote dnooman.
You call it backpedalling, I call it realizing my mistakes. I mean, I'm not going to go back and go, "nope, my idea is still foolproof" once i've seen the flaws. So of course I want to go back and fix it, and improve it. Because I thought it was useful (mostly because it seemed so promising in MafiaScum, but now there are counters against it that are possible). And now that i know such counters are possible, I am obv. going to have to go back and try to fix my ideas, to make them workable in face of the new flaws. But to do so, would require me to so call "backpedal" because i have to admit my old ideas are wrong. I think i'm stuck in a corner with that one.
Because it's like i do my homework, and then you point out where i messed up. Now obviously I want to go back and fix such mistakes. But you're calling me out on it, saying that's not kosher. So what can i do? I don't like my mistaken ideas, and I admit they're broken right now. So i want to fix them. But to do so, I gotta look like I'm wrong (which I ADMIT 100% I WAS WRONG). But that's bad.
I don't like that situation for me. The Dnooman issue, I'll address that in another post (probably my final post. Knowing me, that' prolly not true. But i'll try). That's why for #7 please see that.
Hopefully that helps to address some of the issues. The main point is: I humped up a lot. And I've created a lot of negative WIFOM with my posts that simply cannot be cleared up until I die. Which kinda sucks. I wish i could take back from the beginning that vote against you, BlaM , as it was a really dumb thing for me to do as a townie. It has generated LOTS of information though, but I think too much of it is lost in the noise.
So yeah. I can see how I'm guilty, and I'm totally willing to die to clear my name.
But i've got one last crazy post to make, and that's my own Role Claim i suppose. Because I really believe in my System, and I think if I'm the #1 suspect, I should follow it, flawed ideas and all. And I'll even do one better, BlaM. I'll give you the full Role Claim. Because at this point, I'm really confused too. I just don't post my questions on the actual thread.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
I am an Alliance citizen, however, I am a vanilla crewperson with the alignment "crew". My win condition requires all Alliance to be dead.
Yep, Alliance citizen, crew alignment, I win if all the Alliance are dead.
~snip~ It was confusing enough to at least one other person, because a clarification PM was sent out before I had even seen my role.
Because actually, I don't know now if I'm scum or town. I never received such a clarification PM. However, I did get my own Win conditions that were quite specific- I'll sum it up, and my clarifications i got:
I'm on a town side. But not your Alliance Crew town side. I need ALL ALLIANCE MEMBERS dead. Good. Bad. Town. Anti-town. It doesn't matter. That's why I played so hard against you at first. Because my win condition is simple: If you're a part of an alliance. You need to die for my town to win. But now here's the WIFOM: Am I scum and YOU the real town? Or am I Town and YOU the real scum?
The only thing I can think of is that perhaps the alliance is a cult and perhaps you have been recruited? Or that maybe there are several win conditions in play here? Or that perhaps there is a town, a bad guy, and a bigger bad guy?
I really have no idea.
But all i know is. I'm NOT on DnooMan's Side. But I never got to talk at night, and I don't know others in my group. So I really don't think I'm Scum either. I just need DnooMan though and apparently all his allies who may be related to said alliance to DIE. ~~~~~ Again, this is my interpretation. I have not quoted my PM. Just giving you my thoughts.
Who am I?
I'm Inara Serra. I'm part of a town. Apparently The Anti-ALL Alliance Crew.
I do have a passive special ability. I am armed. I know this sounds scummy. REAL scummy
*I'm armed with a Bow and arrows of all things. I can only use them to defend myself at night from attacks. And because they're Frikkin' bow and Arrows, I still die from the attack. I just get a 50% chance of killing whoever attacks me.
I played this role fully Pro-Town. I assumed that all alliance people are bad. So yes. I kinda was fishing, BlasterMaster. And I did want to look a little scummy, but to the scum more so. Because I was willing to play the odds. But that kinda failed. Especially with the realization that there could be alliance Townies out there.
Am i supposed to get them lynched? I'm not really sure. All i know is, I hope there are more of you out there. =( And I hope you have weapons too. And I really really hope you're also anti-ALL alliance members.
That's why I'm going to Vote Dnooman. And :shrug: I'm humped. What else can I really say?
If i'm not pro-your-town though... Then I hope my Town is better than your town? Not sure. Haven't thought it out much.
But I need Dnooman dead for my Town to win. All alliance members must die. =(
And I guess that's my death post? If I am cleared, then PLEASE look at my ideas. I DID play Pro-Town as much as I could. It's just that Dnooman's claim really has me scratching my head. I don't know what to do about it.
Go... My Town?
On the plus side, I am 100% certain no one else will claim my role. So... :shrug: I think I'm town. I KNOW I'm Anti-Alliance.
this will probably get me lynched. If so. Please look at Dnooman. And then look back on this horribly played Day 1 by me. Please.
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I'm unwilling at this time to pry into the storyteller/mad pairing, simply because I can come up with good reasons (even if fairly contrived) for any possibly combination of the pairings of their alignments, with the most likely being simply that Mad misremembered, and they're both town.
I wouldn't say I misremembered,more selective memory.
I noticed story's post where he acknowledge me 4 times or so in asylum lane and really don't remember any of them, except the first one. I just remebered the two posts that seemed to slight me.
His post in this game, were he said he and I were responsible for drains death, pinged me.
So no.... I am not lying,that is what i remembered.
Story's rebuttal to me,and later mgtman, seemed to me like he lost his marbles.
I know some of you have questions,I will try to answer them if ya wanna restate them.
Okay, zuma, sorry about that...when I posted it I thought I was at the end of the last page, and there were two more freakin' pages after that. Damn, you guys are prolific.
How convenient it is that Roosh has a passive ability that will now make the scum "afraid" of nightkilling him! If people believe his claim, it gives him a reason why he never gets nightkilled...the scum just don't want a chance of losing one of their own!
To borrow a quote from Blaster, that's so scummy that I wish I could vote for you twice.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #605 on Sept 14, 2007, 9:38pm »
Well it looks like I guessed kinda right. You are a power role albeit a town one.
The reason you did not get the PM is likely to be because you are not a vanilla townie assuming that what dnooman says is true.
A serious suggestion Roosh: Try limiting your remaining posting in this thread to twice a day. If you feel the urge to post lots, open a new thread and post in there to your hearts content, but you are drowning out the rest of the discussions.
unvote Roosh (This is getting habit forming )
My guess is that you must kill all people with Alignment: Alliance instead of anybody who is in the Alliance, which quite frankly will count for most people in the game. If dnooman is a vanilla townie, you do not want him dead.
Strictly speaking I should vote for MadTheSwine next, but knowing my luck he will turn out to be Mal Reynolds, the captain of the Serenity.
How convenient it is that Roosh has a passive ability that will now make the scum "afraid" of nightkilling him! If people believe his claim, it gives him a reason why he never gets nightkilled...the scum just don't want a chance of losing one of their own!
To borrow a quote from Blaster, that's so scummy that I wish I could vote for you twice.
That's a good point - a defensive power is a good one for scum to false claim, since it gives them a good out for surviving the Nights.
And - and here's where thinking too much about the color will kill you - I would not have expected Inara to have that particular power. I guess I'd have expected Inara's power to have something to do with her... um... professional skills on the show.
But: It is exceedingly likely that Inara is, in fact, in the game, as she is one of the most important characters on the show. More significantly, if she's not, the scum would expect that she most likely is. It would be quite a gambit to false claim Inara on the off-chance that she wasn't included in the game.
Thus, in the absence of a counterclaim, I'm inclined to believe Roosh for the moment.
How convenient it is that Roosh has a passive ability that will now make the scum "afraid" of nightkilling him! If people believe his claim, it gives him a reason why he never gets nightkilled...the scum just don't want a chance of losing one of their own!
To borrow a quote from Blaster, that's so scummy that I wish I could vote for you twice.
That's a good point - a defensive power is a good one for scum to false claim, since it gives them a good out for surviving the Nights.
And - and here's where thinking too much about the color will sha you - I would not have expected Inara to have that particular power. I guess I'd have expected Inara's power to have something to do with her... um... professional skills on the show.
But: It is exceedingly likely that Inara is, in fact, in the game, as she is one of the most important characters on the show. More significantly, if she's not, the scum would expect that she most likely is. It would be quite a gambit to false claim Inara on the off-chance that she wasn't included in the game.
Thus, in the absence of a counterclaim, I'm inclined to believe Roosh for the moment.
And that's where it helps me, at least, to have people who know the show. You make a very good point about the fact that this is a major character and there's not a counterclaim yet...which is ironic, since that was a good part of the whole Roosh hypo that got him into so much trouble in the first place! I think I'm going to wiki every claim now. The only character I know anything about is my own.
If there's no counterclaim, I'll unvote Roosh before I go home from work today. It's early, and I'd imagine a good portion of those playing haven't had a chance to see this yet.
The question is, who do I vote for after that? I guess it's 'twixt Mad and Pygmy...
Re: Day 1 « Reply #610 on Sept 14, 2007, 11:08pm »
storyteller's reasoning about a false Inara claim is at least somewhat sound. Pending further re-reading (ugh) unvote Roosh.
I'm not sure the rules about exactly what can be posted make sense to me at this point, with regard to role PMs.
And I can't in good conscience vote for Zuma right now, despite his randomly scummy little ditty with BLAM, because discussion on that was shut down until the Mods can rule on it.
So I will sit voteless until the Zuma situation resolves.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #611 on Sept 14, 2007, 11:14pm »
I'm in absolute agreement with storyteller, Inara is probably the fourth or fifth most central character to the show. There's no way you could have a Firefly Mafia game without her as a role (I too, am surprised at the fact that the role isn't related much to her profession); and Roosh knows that nobody can counterclaim it. He's on my good list for the rest of the time he's with us, unless we later unearth another Inara.
As far as the whole Alignment thing goes, well, I've already said my alignment is that of Crew. I'm not a power role, however, so make of that as you will. If this game was set up with the Crew being the Mafia (not something that woulda been entirely unexpected) , then NAF and Kat sure as heck forgot to invite me to the Mob-party.
I'm starting to wonder if Dnooman's role might not be some sort of miller role: his alignment (so what he'll show up to a cop role) is that of the bad guys, but he wins with the death of all alliance members? Does he count amongst all the Alliance members that must be dead? I just don't like it.
However, I still think Pygmy is scummier than month-old milk. My vote stays with him, for toDay. Tomorrow, however, dnooman's gotta die.
What the fuck does this mean? You know, I don't mind the filters changing a word here and there, but if we're going to have to learn Mandarin to understand each other maybe it's not such a good idea...
Fuck. I have no idea what to do. I was initailly suspicious of Roosh's claim because with a closed setup I tend to assume that anyone with a win condition that differs from my own should die. I have a very difficult time understanding what the fuck Roosh is saying, but from what I can gather, his win condition sounds similar to my own. There's a slight distinction on which I am unclear that could make me want him to die, and he was not clear enough about it in his claim for me to decide one way or another. So, I am stuck without any clue what to do. I guess I'll leave my vote on MadTheSwine for now.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #613 on Sept 14, 2007, 11:42pm »
I'm tempted to leave my vote on Roosh until he at least acknowledges that he's a rutting pain in the ass to play with, and that he will at least try to reign himself in.
I'm waiting a few more hours to ensure there isn't a counter claim. If not, I'll unvote him. I'm frankly a bit surprised that some have already accepted that there is no counter-claim and there will be no counter claim, considering how spread out we all are around the world's timezones and such.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #614 on Sept 14, 2007, 11:44pm »
I'm having a major WTF moment here. So now we're going to jump in with Rooshes crazy plan. We just claim we're somebody and if no one counter-claims we're good to go? And he didn't just claim anybody, he claimed one of the 9 major players. A player who might very well be a power role and they're supposed to out themselves on day one And for those of you who don't know the players I suggest you look at both dnooman's and Inara's "role" write ups very carefully on the the wikis. And then go back and look at their role claims.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #615 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:01am »
And CatInASuit I'm completely astounded by your quick decision to accept that claim on face value. Going back and looking at several of your posts to Roosh including the one above sure sounds like scum trying to give other scum advice.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #616 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:05am »
I don't have much of a read on CatInaSuit, but I sure don't understand your distrust of her based on the fact that she's accepted Roosh's claim. We don't yet have a counterclaim for Inara, and until we get one, I don't see how any advice to Roosh would be scum-to-scum. Unless, of course, you are assuming Inara could be a Mafia role. Or you're trying to make a slantendicular counterclaim to Inara. In which case I remain confused.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #619 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:16am »
Diomedes:
Maybe because Cat didn't even wait for anybody to counter claim. And the claiming of major roles by scum to out power good guys was one of the major holes pointed out in Rooshes plan pages ago. And I'm not slanticular claiming anything, Jesus Christ on a pogo stick.
And BTW he's a guy cat in a suit, or a guy in a cat suit:)
And for those of you who don't know the players I suggest you look at both dnooman's and Inara's "role" write ups very carefully on the the wikis. And then go back and look at their role claims.
Here we go again with the oblique remarks. Why make us go compare the wikis to the role claims? Just tell us what you see. Otherwise it looks like you're hiding behind what others find - so no matter what we come back with after completing your little research assignment, you can say, "yes! that's what I meant!"
Re: Day 1 « Reply #621 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:25am »
I don't see any reason why Cat wouldn't accept his claim, though. At this early stage in the game, trading a power role for a scum (perhaps with the exception of a Detective) is actually likely in the town's best interest. Particularly because there's almost certainly a doctor role who the scum have to account for, if we make the right lynch guess.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #622 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:30am »
I'm trying to be a little oblique because I don't want to give scum any more data than they have. But I know dnooman and I are on the same team. Roosh seems confused about what team he's on and clearly states that it's different than dnooman's.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #623 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:36am »
I've gone back and read dnooman's post again. He clearly states his alignment is Crew. The fact that he claims that he's an Alliance citizen is merely a reference to his character, Sheriff Bourne, isn't a Browncoat. I think Roosh got confused on this one, and I ended up confused in the same manner. I don't know if I've actually officially FOS'd dnooman, but I've done what amounts to the same thing. With a reread of his claim post, I'm going to unFOS: dnooman for the moment.
I still don't know what to make of his night post, however. Can I Fingernail Of Misgiving: dnooman ?
I'm trying to be a little oblique because I don't want to give scum any more data than they have. But I know dnooman and I are on the same team. Roosh seems confused about what team he's on and clearly states that it's different than dnooman's.
Yeah, I noticed that, too... but the thing is... crap, it's hard to discuss things like this within the boundaries of what the rules allow. I'lll just say that I think it's equally possible that Roosh has misunderstood his role / win condition.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #625 on Sept 15, 2007, 12:55am »
Well I'm bugger all confused, honestly.
On the one hand, I'm still trying to wrap my head around how quickly the dnooman lynch train happened, there was something suspicious there that I still haven't figured out completely. On the other hand, it looks like the dnooman train's been derailed for the moment, while the Roosh lynch train seems to have plowed through a roadblock, lost a few cars, but is still moving forward ever so slightly.
I don't know if that's good or bad, but nothing that's happened 'twixt when I cast my vote and now has changed my opinion of where I should vote. Although I must say, when reading through everything that happened from the last time I checked here, I made several "wtf" faces and I was pretty sure I was waggling my eyebrows considering how quickly I was raising and lowering them.
As I said in the "going away" thread, I'm leaving in about 15 minutes to non-computer world, and won't be back until Sunday evening to check up on things...which I think is good because right now I think some people are in a state of mass confusion and I'm only getting more confused by reading people's confusion.
I don't really have anything to contribute before I leave, other than maybe if people were meta-gaming less, maybe there would be less confusion and disarray. Less meta-gaming, and everybody just taking a step back and breathing. At this point, don't let the closed set-up get to your heads, don't get claustrophobic because of the lack of definite information.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #626 on Sept 15, 2007, 1:06am »
A clarification...since we humped up the role PM's. In your role PM's where it says "win condition all Alliance members dead" Alliance=scum. If it said you were an "Alliance Citizen" Alliance DOES NOT EQUAL scum, but rather town. My apologies for any unintended confusion this may have caused.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #627 on Sept 15, 2007, 1:12am »
Also, we are going to say that Dnooman did not violate the rules with his post, but only becuase the rules were not clear enough. It is our belief that he acted in good faith and we are going to let it go.
You may all indeed claim your role and win condition if you want.
The discussion can be restarted if you feel it is still a good idea.