Weird, I was on the last page, apparently, when I posted that, and was reading the final psot on that page, which I hadn't seen until just now. Let me review this page and see if dot responded to it.
And, again, I was confused as to the timing of that. GOd, I wish I could delete a post or three. Not out of scumminess, but to make myself look like less of an idiot.
*bzzt* Wrong! Read dnooman's claim again. His alignment is Crew. C-r-e-w. Meaning Crew is most likely what the town are called in this game. His character just happens to be a citizen of the Alliance.
Unvote sinjin Vote zuma/dotchan
That is REALLY telling right there. Because from that quote you have just shown me that you can neither be on MY team or Dnooman's team.
Man, that's a guay of a good point you make there, Idle. Sadly, I indicted dotchan in a previous game [cough]crazyville[/cough] for another "shiny scumtell", so I'll refrain from changing my vote just yet... but I'll have to look at zuma's & dotchan's activities up to this point...
M3 - Monk- Won the game (cast the winning vote) Hispanola - Vanilla Crew - Alive at the end (win) Crazyville - Doctor- Alive at the end (win) Cult of Sekham - Crusader - Killed by Cult... after I killed a Monk(loss--didn't kill at least one Unbeliever/Cult...because I'm stupid)/Vanilla townie (win). Firefly - In space no one can hear you role-claim!
Here is a shortened, ten second sum up of what our convo on that was, starting at 802:
You: One of these claims has to be fake.
Me: Yeah but probably not the semi-major/major one. I'd find that hard to believe.
You: *starts talking about masons*
Me: Huh? Well, uh..here's my thoughts about them if you want to know.
You: *starts talking about Mad being a mason and the chances of it*
Me: Uh, Dio, I wasn't talking about Mad originally. I was talking about Roosh who is the only person who I see who has made any kind of "semi-major" character claim. -------
So really, when you said "I think one of these claims has to be bunko" you meant "I think Mad's claim is bunko"?
Well see, I thought you meant any of them, so I was saying to you "Yeah, maybe, but come on, SEMI-MAJOR characters that are probably going to be in the game? I don't think that's the one that's being faked"
I guess from there you just assumed I was talking about Mad too, or was at least referencing Mad's claim as the "Semi-important/major" one. I wasn't.
So really, when you said "I think one of these claims has to be bunko" you meant "I think Mad's claim is bunko"?
Well see, I thought you meant any of them, so I was saying to you "Yeah, maybe, but come on, SEMI-MAJOR characters that are probably going to be in the game? I don't think that's the one that's being faked"
I guess from there you just assumed I was talking about Mad too, or was at least referencing Mad's claim as the "Semi-important/major" one. I wasn't.
Yeah, I assumed, sorry. Too bad we couldn't actually have done that conversation in that short a space.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #847 on Sept 16, 2007, 3:34pm »
Idle, if you change your title to Mr. Fucker, I will be elated. Not because it has any meaning, or game relevance, just because I find that to be funny as guay.
Can we all vote on the murdering people issue? M1 Werewolf (loss) M2 Townie (loss) M3 Townie (win) M6 Genius (win) M7 Sheriff Bourne (?)
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #848 on Sept 16, 2007, 5:43pm »
I have a name and a different title than mason but it is the exact same role as a mason would play.
I have never watched the show,but I am fairly certain if I disclose the information some of you are asking for it will give away our numbers to those familiar with the show. I'm not sure if that is all that important though,if the scum know how many of us are masons. For now,I will still keep that info to myself.
Hey, Mad... as far as I know, you've still got your vote on story... ostensibly based on something from last game. What the guay does that mean? You picked up on a tell of his from playing with him previously? Or you're voting for him because you didn't think he gave enough credit to you for something happening last game?
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #850 on Sept 16, 2007, 7:06pm »
MadTheSwine, currently you have my vote against you.
Frankly from what I can see, you have lied against storyteller and your claim was presented in a pretty anti-town way and doesn't make much sense given a quick read through wikipedia.
Then again, I could just be being missing something.
However, I don't think it will be moving unless something else comes to light.
Time to go back over the posts and check to see what else is going on.
MadTheSwine, currently you have my vote against you.
Frankly from what I can see, you have lied against storyteller and your claim was presented in a pretty anti-town way and doesn't make much sense given a quick read through wikipedia.
Then again, I could just be being missing something.
However, I don't think it will be moving unless something else comes to light.
Time to go back over the posts and check to see what else is going on.
I haven't read wikipedia, but based on my PM,I believe revealing all that info will give away the number masons there are.Is that anti-town?
Certainly not gonna reveal everything because you have voted for me.That doesn't worry me.
If you all think that it would help us more by revealing my name, I will.
As I said before, it probably isn't that big of a deal if they know how many of us there are,since they obviously know there are masons now. What do ya'll think?
I think it bears repeating that there might not be a mason group, or may be more than one. In either of those two cases Mad would not be counterclaimed. I don't think that he would have been so quick to claim if he were a mason, mostly because he wasn't really that close to being lynched, and secondly because he just put himself out there for scum, any other killing role, or both to kill his ass tonight. If there's a doc, which I'm guessing there is, they couldn't protect a double kill attempt could they?
There are a number of possibilities for masons: 1. There is one masonry 2. There is more than one masonry 3. There are no masonries
1. If there is just one masonry, and it is clear to its members that it is a masonry, then they will know if Mad is a member and will counterclaim (or support) if and when they see fit. Mad , in post #848, has said that his role is clearly a mason and so it should be clear to all of them (if he is being truthful).
2. If there is more than one masonry then we are going to get into a huge mess when/if someone from a different masonry counterclaims. It is something that is going to cost a bunch of townie deaths to sort out, so I would hope that this is not the case.
3. If there are no masonries then we have a problem, as it will clearly not be counterclaimed. In this case, Mad is scum but has claimed a generic 'mason' role to save himself, gambling that there are no masonries.
The problem is, if there are no masonries then Mad has struck gold and will get a free pass for a few days. After which another scum may decide to "support" the mason claim...
I'm a bit stuck as to how to handle this. It's clearly reckless to lynch a claimed mason on Day 1, but I'm concerned about the possibility of scum being "confirmed" as masons.
2. He's scum, and false claiming. Shortly after the claim, dnooman said something that caught my eye - that he hoped that there weren't more than one Mason group. I think that's on a lot of our minds. Since the game is totally closed, we know there might be more than one Mason group. Whoever the "real" Masons are, even if they know Mad is not one of them, they wouldn't counterclaim now because, hey, maybe he's part of a different group of Masons. So it's a perfect cover - a person false claiming "Mason" but not giving the name is counting on the real Masons thinking he might be part of a second group.
(underlining added)
If he were false claiming and decided to give a name to the masonry then he would have to make one up. It is highly unlikely that he would hit upon the same name as the actual masonry, so the real masons would still assume that he was part of a different masonry. I don't see that giving a name, or not giving a name, make a difference in whether real masons would assume a different masonry.
But, I'm not sure why a mason would assume there was more than one masonry. Has there ever been a mafia game with multiple masonries?
(And a minor quibble: it was actually me, not dnooman, who raised the possibility of multiple mason groups)
But, I'm not sure why a mason would assume there was more than one masonry. Has there ever been a mafia game with multiple masonries?
I recall there was a game on Mafia Scum called "Mason Scum or something like that." I think in it everyone belonged to one of 3 Mason groups, with scum infiltrating within the mason groups as well.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
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Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
This may be an unpopular idea, but I am toying with the idea of voting for tragic to either get her to post or to lynch a lurker. I know that I may be on some people's list of lurkers, but I try to only post to the thread when I have something to say. Generally I don't have a lot to say on Day One, but pick up steam as the game goes on. And with 28 pages to read, I didn't think posting just to have my name show up would be helpful in any way. I mean, it's still only Day One and we have almost a full 1/4 of the number of posts as BlaM's ENTIRE GAME. Can we try not to do this Tomorrow?
I actually think that might be a half-decent idea.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #858 on Sept 16, 2007, 11:17pm »
Two quickie points:
1. I see a lot of people talking about multiple mason groups, and only one (Roosh) mentioning the idea that there may be no masons in this game at all. I'm not sure if that's much of a possibility, but I don't think multiple mason groups are much of a possibility either. Since nobody has counterclaimed yet, I'd guess that there are two reasons for that. One, Mad is what he's saying he is. Two, there are other town-aligned masons out there, Mad is not one of them, and for whatever reason a single mason has not spoken up to tell us that we should be focusing more on Mad. If I were a mason (which I am not), my main fear would be that I'd be splitting the Doc's protection if I claimed, or worse, that there IS no Doc. And obviously, no Doc is going to be coming forward to ease my mind. But I have one thing to say about the multiple mason group part of this. What are the chances that there are two groups of masons and BOTH are crew-aligned? If you're a crew-aligned mason, and Mad is not, think hard about that if this fear of multiple mason groups are keeping you from coming forward and getting us a scum-in-hand.
2. Can someone familiar with the canon come analyze Mad's idea that the name of his group would give away the number, and come back and post a simple yes or no answer? I don't want speculation on what the role might be, because that could give information to scum--I actually see Mad's point about withholding that information right now. I don't want scum to have any information that could help them hide amongst us in the future.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #859 on Sept 17, 2007, 12:22am »
I can only think of one group that, when named, would tell us how many people there are in it.
That said, I am suspicious of Mad's claim. It came out of the blue without any provocation as far as I could see, and so I think he only claimed to make himself invulnerable. I don't believe he's a Mason, or that there is a Mason-group. And the whole feud-thingy with story is bugging me.
I can only think of one group that, when named, would tell us how many people there are in it.
That said, I am suspicious of Mad's claim. It came out of the blue without any provocation as far as I could see, and so I think he only claimed to make himself invulnerable. I don't believe he's a Mason, or that there is a Mason-group. And the whole feud-thingy with story is bugging me.
Like I said,I dont know anything about the show,I could be wrong,maybe the scum won't figure it out,but I doubt it.
You don't even believe there is a mason group? There have been mason groups in every single game I have seen.Why don't you believe there is a mason group?
I saw three people who did that. Myself, Roosh and sinjin. If there were others, let me know.
Ha, nice try, Idle. I'm not doing your legwork for you. As it is I think we've inadvertantly given the scum too much extra information. No matter how close NAF and Kat wrote the role PMs, I'm of the belief that there still would be something that each side has unique to their particular alignment and win condition. I'm just trying to keep my side, the Crew, safe from speculation.
I explained myself...how many times, now?
I can't believe I'm being lynched on semantics again. Just because I'm using Vanilla Townie (the mafia term) instead of Vanilla Crewperson (the in game term), you think this is a scumtell?
And is anybody else worried that Diomedes has used almost exactly the same language to try to start yet another bandwagon?
c. I’m crew, dnooman is crew and I think a lot of others who posted immediately after his comeout are crew. But Roosh is town of some sort which he thinks is because he has some sort of minor power role. Yeah so do I, very minor, but I’m from a town and I am still crew. And I find it strange that the Sheriff (who lives in a town) is a crew good guy and Inara(Roosh) who lived on the Firefly ship Serenity for most of the series is a town good guy. That’s what I was obliquely trying to point to before.
Italics mine. And it is something that's so quick, you miss if you blink.
In that case, unvote sinjin, but a very pointy FoS remains, because she's still not 100% confirmed in my eyes.
I could not find that last night if my life depended on it. Thanks dotchan. I'm not going crazy!
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I can only think of one group that, when named, would tell us how many people there are in it.
That said, I am suspicious of Mad's claim. It came out of the blue without any provocation as far as I could see, and so I think he only claimed to make himself invulnerable. I don't believe he's a Mason, or that there is a Mason-group. And the whole feud-thingy with story is bugging me.
Like I said,I dont know anything about the show,I could be wrong,maybe the scum won't figure it out,but I doubt it.
You don't even believe there is a mason group? There have been mason groups in every single game I have seen.Why don't you believe there is a mason group?
On a personal level I find the notion of a Mason-group to cause unnecessary confusion. And i have never been in a game that had them either.
Like I said,I dont know anything about the show,I could be wrong,maybe the scum won't figure it out,but I doubt it.
You don't even believe there is a mason group? There have been mason groups in every single game I have seen.Why don't you believe there is a mason group?
On a personal level I find the notion of a Mason-group to cause unnecessary confusion. And i have never been in a game that had them either.
I can't believe I'm being lynched on semantics again. Just because I'm using Vanilla Townie (the mafia term) instead of Vanilla Crewperson (the in game term), you think this is a scumtell?
And is anybody else worried that Diomedes has used almost exactly the same language to try to start yet another bandwagon?
vote Diomedes*
Hmm... Mr. Fucker has been the person posting the most analysis on the board. So, in the last two cases I've voted, I've voted because of scummy behavior by the person in question, plus the added analysis of M.F., who's posting more analysis than anyone else.
And your lack of knowledge that there isn't a 'town' in this game is supremely scummy. Your post suggests that there is an allied "town" faction along with the "crew" faction. Except there isn't. The good guys, no matter the flavor in their (vanilla) roles, are all 'alignment: Crew'. I haven't seen a scum PM, though, so perhaps your win condition is "When your numbers equal or exceed all crew/town", and that's where you made your mistake.
I stand by all the votes I've made today, by the way. wtf is still a little curious for lurking, and sinjin and pygmy rugger both stil lseem scummy to me. Only not quite as scummy as you.
*name corrected and de-blued to protect the innocent.
I can only think of one group that, when named, would tell us how many people there are in it.
That said, I am suspicious of Mad's claim. It came out of the blue without any provocation as far as I could see, and so I think he only claimed to make himself invulnerable. I don't believe he's a Mason, or that there is a Mason-group. And the whole feud-thingy with story is bugging me.
I can't think of any group that would give the requisite 3-4 people Most things in the 'verse tend to operate in pairs, for the good guys or the bad. That being said, I don't know why we should vote right now to lynch Mad. I've already said that I distrust his mason claim more than the other claims, and if there isn't a mason group, then we'd really be screwed, because he's got townie cred, now. However, like Mad said, in every game played so far, there's been a mason group. And it's not wise for a scum to make a mason claim if there are masons left alive, because a scum-for-mason claim is good for the town. (yes, I know all this contradicts what I was trying to say to Idle... bear with me) Mad-the-Scum's claim would be genius if he had some way of knowing there weren't any masons in the game. But how would he know that? It makes Mason-The-Swine's claim just believable enough to let him sit for a day.
dotchan, on the other hand... well, she don't know the Crew winning condition. Doesn't that make her higher lynch priority han Mad?
And your lack of knowledge that there isn't a 'town' in this game is supremely scummy. Your post suggests that there is an allied "town" faction along with the "crew" faction. Except there isn't. The good guys, no matter the flavor in their (vanilla) roles, are all 'alignment: Crew'. I haven't seen a scum PM, though, so perhaps your win condition is "When your numbers equal or exceed all crew/town", and that's where you made your mistake.
Maybe I haven't been clear enough, and for that I apologize. I've been purposely using the term "Town" instead of "Crew" because I don't know what the scum terms and win conditions are, and I didn't want to accidentally give them extra information. (And in retrospect, I probably worried too much because NAF and Kat probably used "Crew" for "Town" in all of the role PMs - NAF said something to the effect of making all of the role PMs as generic as possible, so that people can't confirm themselves 100% if they try to quote chunks of it. I tried to do that in the Psycopaths game, but apparently very few people picked up on it.)
I am, FTR, a Vanilla Crewmember, and I am Crew-aligned.
Maybe I haven't been clear enough, and for that I apologize. I've been purposely using the term "Town" instead of "Crew" because I don't know what the scum terms and win conditions are, and I didn't want to accidentally give them extra information. (And in retrospect, I probably worried too much because NAF and Kat probably used "Crew" for "Town" in all of the role PMs - NAF said something to the effect of making all of the role PMs as generic as possible, so that people can't confirm themselves 100% if they try to quote chunks of it. I tried to do that in the Psycopaths game, but apparently very few people picked up on it.)
I am, FTR, a Vanilla Crewmember, and I am Crew-aligned.
Yeah, but I spilled the beans on that Night One. Everyone else picked up on it, but I guess you didn't notice it. The thing was, the scum know who's town, and who's scum. Even if you're not scum, you would have given that secret away. I have inexperience to explain my gaffe. What's your excuse? Scum-aligned non-scum role ( ala a couple roles in Treasure Island)? Still gets a call for a lynch, in my humble opinion.