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« Reply #540 on Sept 14, 2007, 12:45pm »
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So: Major note to self: Don't make a vote and say that you're going to come back later and explain it. This game moves crazy fast, for one, and it's also ap retty dick move. Sorry Idle Thoughts.

I'm going to go back, more methodically over a few of the top suspects tonight and try to come up with which one of the top suspects I'm going to toss my vote for. I will say, for one, that I'm not going to throw dnooman out automatically just because of his claim. Claiming an Alliance citizen as your role (even a flip-floppy one), and also saying you're town doesn't entirely ring true to me.
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« Reply #541 on Sept 14, 2007, 12:46pm »
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At the rate the votes were going, I would have done this even before his (quite believable) explanation:

unvote dnooman (4)*

I'm not really sure who to vote for at the moment. No one strikes me as scummy, though I know we aren't too likely to get scum today.

I see a potential problem with an automatic run-off system (or with regular voting, as storyteller suggested) in that it allows scum to lurk. Though I don't know what voting system doesn't lend itself to manipulation, so I suppose we ought to go with our best shot.

I still like the idea of a 'waiting period' - perhaps we could have an initial deadline; after that is done we agree that the hammer will strike within 24 hours. People can vote for whomever they wish at that point but with the intent of a clear candidate in short order - final argument phase, if you will.


*You know, for having thought of something I thought was useful I didn't even include it when I voted. I'm inclined now to think it'll be easier to only mark the vote if the candidate has more than 25% in the official vote count (i.e., 8 for toDay). That's what I'll be doing - and in this case, the last official count was 8 on the good Sheriff.
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« Reply #542 on Sept 14, 2007, 12:49pm »
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I had already PM'ed NAF before the game started and after we got our roles about what we could and could not quote (as its kinda vital to my idea). Mainly i was interested in knowing if we could announce our names, abilities, etc (and i likened to to a doctor claiming he was a doctor, even though his PM also stated doctor).
I got back a positive response (which i obv. won't quote).

He pretty much said we're not allowed to quote the PM's of Moderators. we can quote any other pms, and it seems we are allowed to give our names. But we can't c/p their words. That would be quoting obviously.

So Dnooman, you've posted and since no one's counter claimed.
I believe you. Because I believe in my system too.

Unvote Dnooman.
I will trust you are pro-town then, until further information is given on the subject.


And if anyone then wants the same, I'm quite willing to RoleClaim* too. It seems only fair. However some people are complaining about "Tipping hands" and such. But if you want a role claim from me, just a couple of you give me an affirmation of some sort.

*Name Claim.
Yadda yadda yadda.
Geez. Freudian slips now? What'll you guys hit me with next?
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« Reply #543 on Sept 14, 2007, 12:56pm »
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Oh and Atarus, maybe I can help explain your pinging of radars (cuz you're hitting mine too, but in a small way).

Your posts are similar to Dotchan in my mind slightly. I think i mentioned this already once before, but again: Your earlier posts before the MTS vote, were all just ideas that were VERY PRO-Town. But not controversial really. They were... Nice.
You would say something about someone and smudge them, but you'd be nice about it.
You called me humble for god's sake, then kinda defended me, and then didn't really FoS me, but expressed suspicion of me.

Same with others, you tend to rehash ideas and post them as what your thoughts are, but they're all waaay too nice kinda. So to me, it's like you're off the radar, because it's "Oh, yeah, he's got good ideas. I totally agree. But... anyone would agree with them, because they're not putting all your eggs into a basket and going "I think he's guilty!" or anything. You're just kinda Smudging people, which is what Dotchan did last game. When she voted for people, she'd always have 1-2 posts before hand explaining how she agreed with thier ideas, and that they were good people, and then she'd drop a vote of them.
I gave her the nickname of "nicest scum" for it, because, typically when I find myself agreeing with people because they sound really really town, I am suspicious of those people.
That might be why you're hitting people's scumdars, because it's a really weird thing to explain.
It's just this feeling that somethings not right, but you haven't DONE anything scummy. Which is kinda why it's scummy. Because then it feels like you're protecting your ass.
Make sense?
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« Reply #544 on Sept 14, 2007, 1:09pm »
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And jesus guys, quit trying to get yourselfs Modkilled or asking for others to be modkilled.

That helps the town ZERO. It's SHITTY and POINTLESS. (Steven, you seem to like quoting the rules alot in your earlier posts, but still), and Sinjin you too.

This is game is about Loopholes, and WINNING.
If you're town, you will try to live and win by ANY MEANS Necessary. I don't care how you do it, as long as you help out the town. So quit trying to die on us, that
1. Accomplishes nothing.
2. We still have to lynch someone, so if we mislynch, we're then down 2 townies. and then there's the night kills.

So none of that crap now.
If you die, you die, but before you go, leave all the info you CAN.
Live each day like its gonna be your last day, and remember: a quiet dead townie is a useless dead townie.
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« Reply #545 on Sept 14, 2007, 1:10pm »
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I may be ignorant but what does "tipping hands" mean? ??? Or shouldn't I be asking?
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« Reply #546 on Sept 14, 2007, 1:15pm »
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Kat has requested that it not be discussed, which I think is the right thing to do.
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« Reply #547 on Sept 14, 2007, 1:29pm »
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Sept 14, 2007, 12:56pm, Roosh wrote:
Oh and Atarus, maybe I can help explain your pinging of radars (cuz you're hitting mine too, but in a small way).

Your posts are similar to Dotchan in my mind slightly. I think i mentioned this already once before, but again: Your earlier posts before the MTS vote, were all just ideas that were VERY PRO-Town. But not controversial really. They were... Nice.
You would say something about someone and smudge them, but you'd be nice about it.
You called me humble for god's sake, then kinda defended me, and then didn't really FoS me, but expressed suspicion of me.


Alright, so I stacked you, Idle, and Spaceman's posts all together and took a look at what you were saying, and it seems like at least you and Idle seem to think it's something about the way I say things and the way I'm voicing my opinions.

I don't know if this is going to help or not, but I think I might be coming across as wishy-washy or "too nice" because I naturally Devil's Advocate myself whenever I'm analyzing something. I always try to see both sides of an issue, and that's the way I am in real life too. (I don't talk about politics much, because usually when people discuss politics they want a debate, and I always see both sides of issues so I throw people off when I agree with them...they're like "wait, what? you actually agree??")

So whenever I look at something that's suspicious to me, I'll run through my head "well, this is why they could be scum" and then I go "but wait, how about the other side...what if they were town?" So when I make my posts about people, it may come out like in one sentence I'm smudging them then in the next sentence I'm defending them, since I don't differentiate and just sorta freeform what I'm thinking. I guess I'm always playing the WIFOM Home Game(tm) every time I post, so it looks like I'm just trying to stay on the nice side of everyone.

It's also why I'm stingy on FOSing and voting...both are big deals, and I like to make sure that I'm not missing something important. It's why I ended up voting for Mad, because when I Devil's Advocated my suspicion that he was scum...I came up with basically nothing. Therefore, vote him.

If it helps, though, I can start adding curses to everything I say, and perhaps make some rude gestures?
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« Reply #548 on Sept 14, 2007, 1:33pm »
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Anyway, I see the top votes are now MadtheSwine, Roosh, and still dnooman.

I don't feel any are scum, at least I don't get any pings, hits or anything else that makes me think they're suspicious. Then again, it's only Day One. Things are apt to change and sometimes majorly.

There are people I'm suspicious of right now, but again, nothing so huge; even the top person I'm not hard on; but I play this game over who I think a vote lies best with based on my own feelings, thoughts, and observations and partly on the current votes already out there at the time...so this upcoming list is a list just of those who, if anyone, I'd be more apt to vote for if I cast a vote for at this time. Again, things are apt to change. Especially now with the majority or no lynch rule in effect. I think we're all best not to cast many one off votes.

But on with the list.

mtgman is just plain ODD in this game. Never before have I seen such aggresstion, and while I COULD just believe he, like me, is trying to change his gameplay style around, for the life of me I can't fathom his reasons for finding me suspicious. They are baseless, weak, and just don't hold a drop of water, I feel. And on top of that, he hasn't even bothered to respond to my rebuttal points..twice.

pygmy did the same thing, voted for me because I was acting like a "jackass" for not understanding a rule? And then the whole "who are the scum in this game" post. His post explaining that I accept for now, but I that doesn't mean I have to like it. I certainly will be watching closer.

I'm torn on sinjin, atarus, and FCoD. Originally I thought FCoD's tone was off but the more I read, the more I lose it. Although with atarus it's stayed on and it's been slowly growing with sinjin. Again these things aren't anything I can really explain so I know there's nothing to defend against but I feel it nevertheless.
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« Reply #549 on Sept 14, 2007, 1:39pm »
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Sept 14, 2007, 1:09pm, Roosh wrote:
(Steven, you seem to like quoting the rules alot in your earlier posts, but still), and Sinjin you too.


I haven't quoted any rules, I'm still trying to figure them out and waiting for NAF or Kat to rule.

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« Reply #550 on Sept 14, 2007, 2:06pm »
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What in the gorram holy rutting guay are you people on? gos se. Share it for fuck sake.

Was gonna read and catch up upon getting home this afternoon, but forgot that my partner's cousin and wife were coming over for dinner. No problem. I'll just catch up after dinner. HA! Not likely. So now I find myself, again, having to put off my reading and making an informed, contributive post. Seriously people. You do not want to fuck with my current situational distaste for reading back through massive amounts of pages!!! >:( >:( >:( :'(

It goes without saying that I'm getting extremely concerned about the people who are not posting, and not even for the reason of (legitmate) suspicion of lurkers. I'm concerned because there is a HUGE delta 'twixt the vocal minority and the quite majority, and I frankly doubt that some of these folks are going to be able to try and jump onto this mother rutting runaway freight train that you people are driving here. Do you want to burn our sub list ON DAY ONE just replacing the people who have jobs?

I propose that, since there has already been discussion of not utilizing all of our 10 days, that we pick a 24 to 48 hour window of time (like 'twixt tomorrow morning and Sunday morning at the same time, and the Mods could also PM it to everyone and put it on the news fader once the times are selected) and NO ONE POSTS IN THAT WINDOW. We all take a deep breath and let people read and think about this mess. It burns a couple of days that we were already going to give up, and just might ensure that we all have an enjoyable experience.

And in case I'm handily told that my proposal is shit, are we allowed to talk about dnooman's claim? Or what exactly is forbidden at this point?

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« Reply #551 on Sept 14, 2007, 2:06pm »
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Sept 14, 2007, 10:24am, sinjin wrote:
Ok sorry if I busted something here, if it's necessary to modkill me do so. I don't want to ruin things for everybody. It is my first game and I guess I don't understand all the rules.

I will post no more until I hear.


Sorry, Sinjin, I wasn't clear, I was referring for you on the later stuff. When I said "you too" the rest of the post was directed to you.
I guess i should have said "And you too, Sinjin:"

I kept Steven's stuff within the paragraph, but i wanted to address your stuff separately with the rest of my post. Sorry for the confusion.
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« Reply #552 on Sept 14, 2007, 2:10pm »
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I personally would like the town to figure out something about my situation as well preferably by tomorrow. If you guys don't see me as town by then or buy my defenses, fine, i'll claim, and I'll do a final post around friday (mostly because the upcoming week will be quite busy for me -4 exams and classes on this Saturday as well). that's why I'd rather be all or none by Dawn on Saturday.

That doesn't mean everybody go head and vote for me though. I want only the PEOPLE WHO TRULY BELIEVE I'm guilty to vote for me. It'll make analyzing the votes easier. Because i WILL be grilling the people who vote for me. :D

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Sept 14, 2007, 9:51am, diggitcamara wrote:
Here, however, his behavior is interesting. He picks up a theme which, obviously, has irked another player whose participation has usually been pretty interesting (when he doesn't get killed in Night 2, that is). And runs with it.

The funny thing is, he picks up on that player's behavior during his (very successful) run as super-scum and during his run as a monk (pro-town) (leaving aside his most recent, successful role as normal citizen).
The simple reason is I didn't read the Asylum Lane game and know jack about it or storyteller0910's behavior in it.
Sept 14, 2007, 9:51am, diggitcamara wrote:
Interesting too is his underlining of supposed strategies during those two games without even trying to sketch the current strategy storyteller would be using (for my part both his first and his most current participation both show signs of similarity to his participation during the Firefly game).
What his current strategy is? No idea. I've just noticed his reactions to being suspected tend towards the dramatic. This sparks discussion both as reactions to his reactions and because he's a popular character in this group with a well thought of playstyle. He's an excellent writer(professional writer IIRC) and can be very persuasive. Drawing someone like him, and those who follow his posts and take note of his interactions with others, into a discussion(or an arguement) may be detrimental to one's own health(as it was to mine in M5, at least when combined with my own "try to draw an early nightkill" strategy) but it gets people posting. He gave himself away, to me at least, as having hidden information in M5 based on his overreaction(admitted as such in his funny story) to my own posts. So the poke was partly to see how he would react, and partly to stir up the rest of the players. In these kinds of games you can't trust anyone. Everybody plays everybody else.

What my comment was not intended to be, as he seems to believe, was personal in the slightest. Not much I can do about that. When it seemed he was taking things I said too personally in M5 I tried to offer the olive branch there. He rebuffed me there for in-game reasons and I have no idea how he would react to a similar offering now. It's a moot point anyway because no matter if his reactions are genuine hurt feelings or the work of an accomplished wordsmith, pushing his buttons has been declared verboten by our beloved mods, so that's that.

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« Reply #554 on Sept 14, 2007, 2:10pm »
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I may be ignorant but what does "tipping hands" mean? ??? Or shouldn't I be asking?


Really? It's a card game (specifically poker) term, where you are holding your hand is low and or at a low enough angle, "tipped" as it were, such that others can see what cards you have. It essentially means something along the lines of giving away your secrets/strategy. http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/tip+hand

Now, before I get called on it, I don't have a problem saying this, because I'm quite certain the scum would have figured it out anyway. That is, when dnooman made his claim, and people agreed with him by saying "that looks like my PM, so I believe him", then they're essentially going "hey, guess what, I DON'T have a power role" to the scum. Now, they COULD be clever scum, who know he's not scum, and trying to use it as a way to make a more successful vanilla claim later, so I don't think they should be eliminated as scum candidates but, well... I think you see where I'm going...
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« Reply #555 on Sept 14, 2007, 2:14pm »
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See, that's it right there. In the time it took me to write my handfull of paragraphs, 4 posts were made, by 3 people, in 3 totally different threads of conversation.

It is scrolling by like an old text chat room, but I can't just focus on the few people I'm conversing with. I have to pay close attention to every last word you (potentially) manipulating backstabbers are saying.
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Sept 14, 2007, 1:33pm, Idle Thoughts wrote:
mtgman is just plain ODD in this game. Never before have I seen such aggresstion, and while I COULD just believe he, like me, is trying to change his gameplay style around, for the life of me I can't fathom his reasons for finding me suspicious. They are baseless, weak, and just don't hold a drop of water, I feel. And on top of that, he hasn't even bothered to respond to my rebuttal points..twice.
Soo... beacuase I didn't quote your posts and address them specifically means I haven't supported my FOS? I have a couple times a day when I can get on these boards and post. I haven't mastered the multi-quote thing yet(I'll learn at some point I'm sure) so I'm sticking with one thing at a time for the moment.

So here's how my scumdar that you pinged works. A common scum strategy is to obfuscate. To bury signal in noise. To sidetrack discussions away from the people involved and into other territory(such as rules nitpickery). When I see an experienced player flinging posts right and left questioning a well known and extremely frequently used rule(majority to lynch is probably THE most common lynch setup on mafiascum.net), that sets it off. When that player skirts the other rules(such as rule 4) to continue this hijack(instead of sending a PM to the mods) it looks like they're trying to distract the other players. A townie needs to be able to focus on the game, not nitpickery of the rules. A scum, on the other hand, knows everything they need to know from their role PM. There's other stuff they'd LIKE to know, I'm sure(especially in a closed game), but everything they NEED to know is in their PM.

A strong strategy for townies is to be interactive, trying to draw other players into discussions. People who focus discussions on other things seem to be less hungry for information about their fellow players than the average townie, which makes me think, maybe they know everything they need to already.

Now, whether you agree with my reasoning or not, that's neither here nor there, but I consider my FOS well supported at this point.

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« Reply #557 on Sept 14, 2007, 2:31pm »
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So Dnooman, you've posted and since no one's counter claimed.
I believe you. Because I believe in my system too.

Unvote Dnooman.
I will trust you are pro-town then, until further information is given on the subject.


Wha...? His role-claim pretty much debunks your whole system. If we were to go "okay, who is a likely bad guy" and he's an Alliance citizen, and the Alliance IS "teh evil", but he's vanilla, doesn't that kind of bunk the ability to, say, determine his allegiance from his name? Plus, his name is Sheriff whatever (yeah, I'm too lazy to go double check, sue me :P), and yet he claims to not be a cop type role... AGAIN giving evidence that knowledge about the names of the role probably doesn't have any baring on their powers in this game. But to top it all, knowing that, being an Alliance citizen, he very well COULD be a bad guy, you're going to trust him because of your system, because no one counter-claimed? ???

If everyone who is in the Alliance (of whom SURELY some are actually bad guys) can just say "hey, I'm in the Alliance, but I'm not a bad guy", and you believe them, then there's no POINT for them to try to claim to be someone else, because they can just use the name they're given, and just claim not to be a bad guy.

IOW... HUH!?!?



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And if anyone then wants the same, I'm quite willing to RoleClaim* too. It seems only fair. However some people are complaining about "Tipping hands" and such. But if you want a role claim from me, just a couple of you give me an affirmation of some sort.


Now this is just silly, because you're deliberately obfuscating. There's a BIG difference 'twixt a Name Claim and a Role Claim, which one of the main points of my post 508, and now you're deliberately mixing them up again. AFAICT, the Name is probably 90% flavor, may or may not give any relevant information regarding your role and/or allegiance, and thus, is virtually useless. A Role-Claim involves, at the very least, a claim of having or not having special powers and, with the exception of Pleonast in MV, includes a disclosure of those powers, and often a disclosure of how they've been used.

If you're going to give your Name... does it matter, unless it's obviously going to be a power role or scum role, what it is? If you're going to claim, why are you asking for only couple of people to say so? A Role Claim should be done at your discretion to either save your neck, disclose important power role information at a relevant time, potentially get scum lynched, or potentially other times for more specialized roles. Otherwise, you either give your role away to the scum if you're a power role and they can plan on how to best deal with you to make you a non-factor, or you eliminate one more target for the scum when they're looking for a power role.

This, again, reeks to me of more peace-making and backpedaling.
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See, that's it right there. In the time it took me to write my handfull of paragraphs, 4 posts were made, by 3 people, in 3 totally different threads of conversation.

It is scrolling by like an old text chat room, but I can't just focus on the few people I'm conversing with. I have to pay close attention to every last word you (potentially) manipulating backstabbers are saying.


Well, you know, if we lynch Roosh, the post count will drop off dramatically. I think that's reason enough right there.

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Sept 14, 2007, 3:52am, Hal Briston wrote:
--The voting chart now has current vote totals next to each player's name. Should be even more helpful down the road, I think.

Very nice. It must be a full time job keeping it up to date.
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And there was a call earlier for the lurkers to post. Hmmmmmm. Come out come out where-ever you are.....

And I would still like to know if we are going to set a deadline before the deadline!! Earlier some were talking about Monday and then some mentioned Friday. Hello, Friday is tomorrow. I think it's important that this be formalized. I know I'm talking too much again. But, can we get back to the program here?
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But to top it all, knowing that, being an Alliance citizen, he very well COULD be a bad guy, you're going to trust him because of your system, because no one counter-claimed?


Because this is ALL i was asking for with my system. You are the one who drew in the ideas of roles and such into this whole thing.

My plan was simple. I wanted a name, and see if anyone uncontested.
No one did. So he's fine in my book. That's all my idea was good for. Everyone seemed to put their own spin on this though, and since then i've been defending it. But honestly, this is all I was going for, and I'm satisfied. I'm not gonna try to infer anything more from it, nor fish for roles from it. My idea's done its use.

Point #2: You're really analyzing my posts. Probably longer than it takes me to make them. I don't care about the differences 'twixt the words Role/Name claims. A claim was a claim (the above is the perfect example of all i wanted). You can call it whatever you want, you can attribute it to all the slips you want, but think about this:

I think you're just looking for reasons to lynch me, it's a case of tunnel vision at this point. If i was scum, I know exactly what i'd do, I wouldn't play this way. It's TOO difficult to have such a high noise ratio and not fuck up. I'd actually proofread my posts and pay attention to my word choices. This time around though (Game #2 for those playing at home), I'm happy with the way i played in Game 1, and I'm just gonna go more with it. Because hey, why should i care about the posts/words I'm using? I know what I know, and as long as I stick with my role, I've always got the truth of my role behind me. IE: I can play townie, because I AM townie. The Truth will set me free, ya dig?

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I feel i may have a lot of tunnel-vision townie votes on me. People who are voting for me because they haven't paid attention to the voting, just are seeing "Wow, others are saying he's scummy, and damn, he isn't even really trying to deflect it (though i'm addressing every post that I can against me) the suspicion that well. He's being too nice apologizing and such. That's so scummy! So actually alot of you have put votes on me, and have tried to reason it.

Here's the thing though. In this sort of day, what I'm curious about are the people WHO HAVEN'T gotten their hands muddy.
Because the scum have the PERFECT excuse NOT to get their hands dirty. "This thread is too big, this thread is crazy! How Can i ever keep up! Let's talk about a side issue than the people who are being discussed". It's an easy out, and then when later in the game comes along, they can EASILY place a vote "to avoid a no-lynch" by voting for someone who LOOKS REALLY Scummy to the WHOLE town.

That's why I'm curious about:
CaerieD* you've said things, but then i feel are getting lost in the noise.
Hal Briston* Ditto.
Captain Klutz* Though i think he might have posted while i'm writing this. So perhaps he'll have something to say. But still the others then if he says something.
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19 votes have been cast at this point. That leaves 8 stragglers. Or 9. I can't count. I'm gonna guess 9.

Now if scum are layered, I expect 1-2 to be on me, but I also expect that 1-2 could EASILY hide in the silence by saying TOO MUCH Noise has occurred.

That's why i don't really have a clear target yet.

I'm actually curious as to Mad's Posts, but I don't know if its scummy or if its something else. I want to see more from him. Dnoo, I'm actually QUITE satisfied with. And I believe he's town more than like 75% (arbitrary big number in my head that's less than 90).
And me, well i know my role, and I'm happy to point out I'm not the right lynch for toDay as well.
But I don't know who is a lynch potential for today.
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"I know I'm talking too much again." -Sinjin. No, i don't think you are. But :shrug: if you wanna self-exhile yourself fine. But to me it looks like a perfect way for scum to act like a martyr and get by w/o posting.


Zuma: Why the FOS on Diomedes? He's one of the people i've found to be most townie so far in this game, what's your reasoning?
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mtgman's[/b] initial post from a cooler perspective, I think the motive behind it is simpler than what you suggest above: I think it's very likely that he just plumb doesn't like me. I mean, check it out - the insult was, as I said above, essentially a drive-by. It didn't even seem to have an in-game purpose. It's not like he said anything to suggest that I was scum, or even to lightly smudge. It was just an expression of disdain for - not suspicion of - my posting style.
You're overthinking this. It's an information poor Day 1 in an especially information poor game. The post was designed to spark discussion, specifically of the probitive value of previous behavior in other games. You were a convenient example because you laid out your reasoning behind your behavior in M2 in the forbidden thread after it ended and because I had insight into our spat in M5. That's it. You were the example because I knew enough about your playstyle to use it as an example. You've been a high-profile player, so I didn't have to go into a lot of background to support my commentary. An example I could back up with supporting links to posts on the SDMB, which are the only games I've followed thus far which a significant number of others here are familiar with. Nothing more, nothing less.

All that having been said, I did carry some baggage from our interaction in M5 over to this game. You can find it reflected in your karma numbers. That's as far as it has affected anything I've done here.

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Well, either the game is now broken, or just particularly insane on day 1.

vote: Blaster Master
FOS: Diomedes


Do you care to justify that vote, AT ALL?
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Sept 14, 2007, 2:52pm, zuma wrote:
Well, either the game is now broken, or just particularly insane on day 1.

vote: Blaster Master
FOS: Diomedes


Do you care to justify that vote, AT ALL?


NETA: This combined with my earlier suspicion I articulated is super scummy.
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This is why I disliked dnooman's role-claim.

Alliance citizens ARE vanilla townies. You're clearly not one and Diomedes clearly isn't one. Hopefully you're scum.
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