Re: Day 1 « Reply #390 on Sept 13, 2007, 12:36pm »
Caerie, your point about how dnooman hasn't posted much is a good one. All we really have to go on is the Night post. And all that post told me is that his role has a different win condition than mine. It doesn't tell me what he can and cannot do. And I find it less likely to be scum now that I think about it a bit more, because wouldn't scum have a win condition that isn't "every man for himself" as well? Scum works as a team even more than town does, if you think about it. But I can see an opportunistic scum taking advantage of that slip by painting it as anti-town and letting people run with it. After spending a few hours really taking time with this, I think that opportunistic scum was Roosh.
I definitely think that we should keep an eye on dnooman, because of the win condition issue. But I don't think he's the scummiest anymore, and I changed my vote because of that. dnooman is 2nd on my suspicion list, and I have to vote for the person I think is the scummiest. It's a close race, but I hope that shows you the thought process I went through to get to where I am.
The guay? Would you seriously expect me to have spent the entire game saying, "And remember, MadtheSwine was part of the drain lynch too," every time I mentioned it? That's just... bizarre. The only time I ever mentioned drain after her death was to analyze the events leading up to it - I certainly never "took credit" for the lynch. This is just silly.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #393 on Sept 13, 2007, 12:41pm »
Looking at Drainbead's lurker list, I didn't even recognize the name Yattara, who is apparently in this game. Yattara has posted exactly twice total in the game thread, saying almost nothing.
Yattara has also posted 3 times today in the "boost your post count" thread since the two game posts yesterday. Since Yattara is apparently here, on this board in other threads making posts, perhaps she could check in on the actual game thread and share some thoughts about any thoughts and/or suspicions she might have??
Show me where. Show me exactly where and when I took "credit" for anything (other than one happy night post in which I said, I think, that I finally got one right). I specifically stated throughout that my role in the drainbead lynching should not be taken as a point in my favor when others brought it up (I even smudged Blaster Master once for saying I was probably confirmed town for starting the drain wagon). I didn't want "credit" for that lynching because I didn't think it was wise for the town to be thinking in that way. I also never referred to your vote as frivolous, or trivial, or anything of the sort, as you state - so that's a lie, too.
How do you expect me to "demonstrate" something that didn't happen? List all the posts that I didn't make? I have quoted the post in which I clearly stated that I thought you had a good idea and was taking off from it, which is the absolute definition of "giving you credit," which gives the lie to your post right from the start.
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Call it meta-gaming if you want,but wtf. I notice something from past games and I aint spose to mention it? We all do it ,that is a big part of this game.
You seem awful defensive about it.
No, actually, I'm not defensive at all. But you're lying, and that, it seems to me, is a bad thing. Let's see what others think.
You arent defensive...uhhh
Oh yes..lets see what others think. I will show you how you discredited me and took the glory all yourself
You are looking scummier as seconds tick.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #395 on Sept 13, 2007, 12:43pm »
Something weird is going on here. Seriously weird. Mad's assault on me is strange - it's obvious meta-gaming, it's easily debunked, and it would have been meaningless even if it wasn't a lie (ie, why would giving him credit now for his actions then - knowing now that he was town then, which I didn't know at the time, be scummy?). And it's a lie.
It looks a bit like a sword-falling to me, which makes me wonder about Roosh. Aw, hell, I don't know. I'm going to bed. More from me in the morning.
The guay? Would you seriously expect me to have spent the entire game saying, "And remember, MadtheSwine was part of the drain lynch too," every time I mentioned it? That's just... bizarre. The only time I ever mentioned drain after her death was to analyze the events leading up to it - I certainly never "took credit" for the lynch. This is just silly.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #397 on Sept 13, 2007, 12:45pm »
Hey, Hey! Don't associate that crazy Pig with me. I have NO idea what the guay Mad is doing. He's weirding me out with the whole bringing up another game issue too.
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Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
Caerie, your point about how dnooman hasn't posted much is a good one. All we really have to go on is the Night post. And all that post told me is that his role has a different win condition than mine. It doesn't tell me what he can and cannot do. And I find it less likely to be scum now that I think about it a bit more, because wouldn't scum have a win condition that isn't "every man for himself" as well? Scum works as a team even more than town does, if you think about it. But I can see an opportunistic scum taking advantage of that slip by painting it as anti-town and letting people run with it. After spending a few hours really taking time with this, I think that opportunistic scum was Roosh.
I definitely think that we should keep an eye on dnooman, because of the win condition issue. But I don't think he's the scummiest anymore, and I changed my vote because of that. dnooman is 2nd on my suspicion list, and I have to vote for the person I think is the scummiest. It's a close race, but I hope that shows you the thought process I went through to get to where I am.
Fair enough. Thanks for the better explanation of your reasoning here. I'm more suspicious of dnooman than anyone else, but I can see why you changed your vote, at least.
Re: Day 1 « Reply #400 on Sept 13, 2007, 12:49pm »
Also, if you had some stuff you wanna bring out vs. Storyteller I'd rather you bring it out before Friday (but that's just because I'm busy Afterwards, and I'd like to give us maximum time to think about this.
**On a side note. Okay I see what you all mean about this whole "keeping evidence from people thing" it's downright mean. A taste of my own medicine. But still. **
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #401 on Sept 13, 2007, 12:50pm »
Ok I lied. I have a question; did we ever figure out if scum could talk last night or not? And are they allowed to talk in their secret chambers today?
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No...? These games are separate. We should treat each game as a new one. Or am i missing something here?
While I feel like having an extended argument about a prior game isn't of much use, it is pretty useful to be able to look at a player's past actions. It sets up a pattern for the way he or she plays. When somebody drastically changes his playing style, it might mean that person is now playing a different role from last time.
That isn't always the case, though, and I think a lot of the time the characterizations made aren't terribly accurate, but it is something to keep in mind.
Oh yes..lets see what others think. I will show you how you discredited me and took the glory all yourself
You are looking scummier as seconds tick.
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Hey, let's get a head start, what think? I know you'd rather have everyone wait around and waste time while you do your fan dance, but I'm not really very tired, so what the heck. All quotes below are from Asylum Lane, and from me.
Day Two, Reply #153
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Hell, Mad started the drainbead thing in the first place, then I voted for her, and now he's voting for me.
Day Two, Reply #185 (NOTE: I had started to get suspicious of Mad by this point)
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Observations: 1. He is using the fact that I agreed with him as a scum tell. Let me say that again: he is claiming that someone who agrees with him is more likely to be scum because of it. This suggests disingenuousness to me, because if he’s actually town, someone agreeing with him should be what he wants - should be the whole point of making a post in the first place.
Once again, I have acknowledged that I agreed with him about drainbead - that he and I played a dual role in generating initial suspicion of her.
Day Three, Reply #233 I mention drainbead, but only in the context of analyzing the later votes for her - I make no mention of my own or Mad's.
During Day Four, my interaction with Mad was basically a mild argument about Doctor strategy. I didn't mention drainbead at all.
Day Five, I began my lengthy attack on Fort Blaster Master. After characterizing his play as "cautious," capybara asked me to respond to the charge that I had been similarly cautious. I then made the only post that could vaguely support your hypothesis:
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Day One I made the first vote on drainbead and was the first to develop Mad's incredibly tiny smudge into a full-fledged case. That was either the very first or near to the first "real" vote of the whole game, which is a pretty "difficult" position as it were.
If this is "taking glory" and denying you due credit, then... well, I don't know what then, because it's just not. Your initial smudge was tiny. I developed it into a larger case and made the first vote. That is an accurate characterization of what happened, and fits perfectly well with how I described it in this game.
After that - well, if you think I'm going over all that gos se with Blaster Master again, you're out of your gourd.
So there it is, folks - all of the times I discussed drainbead and MadtheSwine in the context of the degree to which he and I shared credit for her lynch. Now, y'all tell me - is MadtheSwine lying?
Ok I lied. I have a question; did we ever figure out if scum could talk last night or not? And are they allowed to talk in their secret chambers today?
sinjin, I actually made a post about this back on page 11, and it was sorta glossed over. I don't know how to link to specific posts, but here's the relevant info from it:
FIRST, correct me if I'm wrong here, but we have no idea if the scum can Daytalk, right? I went back and re-read the rules and there's been no indication if the scum are restricted to nighttalking, or if they can discuss strategy during the Day. So until proven otherwise, I personally believe we should treat it as if the scum CAN coordinate during the Day. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
Now holy gos se I have to go back and re-read what the guay just happened 'twixt Mad and story.
FIRST, correct me if I'm wrong here, but we have no idea if the scum can Daytalk, right? I went back and re-read the rules and there's been no indication if the scum are restricted to nighttalking, or if they can discuss strategy during the Day. So until proven otherwise, I personally believe we should treat it as if the scum CAN coordinate during the Day. Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
You're not wrong, and we've had no official word. But the town isn't permitted to strategize at night; it would be a bit inequitable if the scum were permitted to strategize during the Day.
Story, how is Mad lying? And Mad... what is he doing? (O_o) Like. Wow. I got nothing. I feel like i'm being Whooshed or something.... But he left. So i guess we don't get to hear anything till Sunday? Which really does suck. When I say I have a secret I usually only keep it 24 hours. This is just PAINFUL to wait. =(
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
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I think the scariest thing I've seen so far is that Roosh's big theory amounts to basically re-phrasing the game setup with what he thinks is a major loophole.
On one hand, it makes at least some sense. On the other hand, it's not even close to as sure as he thinks it is. Given that my preference in early game is to punish people who seem to have too much knowledge, vote Roosh.
Let's see what HIS name is, maybe.
That was your 2nd and final post of this thread. I'm curious to hear back from you. Your thoughts and such over the next few days would be nice Zeriel.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
I'm doing this for a few reasons. First, I think he's waaaaaaaaaaaay to excited here, as evidenced by his several thousand posts already. This leads me to believe he got a juicy scum role, and just can't control himself.
He's not muddying the waters with his posts, he IS THE WATER!!! This does not seem particularly pro town to me. I mean, how many pages is HE ALONE responsible for here? Over ten Days that's gonna be pretty close to impossible to reread with the needed attention.
I know I post a lot. I'm trying to cut back. But so you're thinking I'm scum, and so I WANT to immediately thrust myself into the crowd and get so much suspicion on me? That because i'm scum, I'm such a prolific poster? I'd like to hear from you more because I consider yours and Zeriel's the weakest votes against me. And I don't want anyone to coast by with just trying to push me because I happen to look the scummiest, and then walk away w/o dirty hands at the end of the day.
Was my night post a little scummy sounding? I guess it was. Does that make me scum? Nope.
"Was my ideas posst a little scummy sounding? I guess it was. Does that make me scum? Nope."
How can you say that, and still vote for me then? Unless you're voting for me for some other reason than my ideas. I'd like to hear from you about it because that's pretty much your last post. You mention a vote for me, defend yourself weakly, and disappear. Most Uncool, Dnoo.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
[off topic]And as an aside can we please just deal with this game? I was just talking with my husband earlier today about how great this game is; how the players can spell, read, articulate, think logically (most of the time infinitely better than me), etc. He already thinks I'm a nut for participating in an online game. Come on live up to your reps. [/off topic]
I don't want to continue to be one of the odd-man out voters, so I'm going to switch (this time for real0 from my initial random-newbie vote to on eo f the current leaders. While I think Roosh's request for Mad to role-claim was totally bunko, and I'm not the biggest fan of the guy's posting style, I don't really get a scum-read for him. I just can't imagine scum going as far out on limbs as Roosh has done in this first Day. A loss by the scum hurts them much worse than a townie loss hurts us. Similarly, I don't really understand any of the reasoning behind voting for MtS, at this point. dnooman has raised my hackles a little, for the reasons drainbead outlined, but I get a full-flavoured feeling of scummitude from Idle Thoughts. I'll try to go back over all of his posts, and give a fuller explanation as to what has gotten me to start thinking this way, but for now, Vote: Idle Thoughts
While I think Roosh's request for Mad to role-claim was totally bunko, and I'm not the biggest fan of the guy's posting style, I don't really get a scum-read for him.
Quick correction. I asked BlasterMaster aka Spaceman Spiff "to Roleclaim" and yes. it was a stupid thing to do.
The whole Mad thing. i have no idea what to make of it. I just like him and storyteller as Posters from the dope. but thats it.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #419 on Sept 13, 2007, 2:16pm »
Well this is certainly an interesting Day 1.
I'm left wondering about what is underlying the Mad/Story exchange.
Are we looking at a scum engineered argument? or two townies who have managed to push each others buttons, or as both of them would have us believe, a townie has latched onto a scum?
Personally I find Mad's accusations & evidence a bit light on, but I also find Story's reaction to it a bit OTT.
I'm not sure what I think but I will certainly be marking both Mad and Story down as people to keep an eye on. So to sort of make it official-like FOS Mad, FOS Story