Yes. It seems I was outvoted in the role-claiming regard. :shrug: I'm fine with going with the Majority right now at this point. But it gives you a chance to defend yourself, as you are in the Danger Zone of lynching. So consider that a nicer version that what dnooman is saying. Good morning as well. You don't NEED to die, only if you are scummy should you need to die.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
Whoa whoa. Why's he so scummy for claiming Wash? That's a pretty big role. And one that i think we should check if anyone can counter.... O_o
I'd rather lynch Ramone over Wash (in my head) it just seems like a bad idea to kill Wash.... He was Steve the Pirate! Unless i'm missing something here???
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
Cat is name-claiming Wash, and role-claiming Vanilla Crewperson
I'm not sure what my reaction is to it yet.
It's a big meta-game leap to decide whether one of the most prominent characters of the show would be put into the game as a vanilla crewperson? Who knows what Naf/Kat decided to do to make things a bit screwy for us all.
I haven't seen this, and it doesn't show up under recent posts for Cat. All I see is him questioning whether he should claim (at that time) or no. It's been a long thread, though. Was this something that happened earlier that I missed?
Good morning all,
Diomedes: Where did I claim vanilla? I have said nothing about who am I and what I can do.
Sorry, Cat. Perhaps I got you and dot conflated in my mind. I was sure you'd said you were vanilla... if you're a power role, please, let us know about it.
Oh, honestly, I would think that of all the Crew, Wash would be the most likely to be vanilla. I mean... the guy is vanilla. Doesn't change the fact that claiming vanilla at this eleventh hour isn't going to change my vote.
Doesn't change the fact that claiming vanilla at this eleventh hour isn't going to change my vote.
What about claiming WASH!?!? That's a verifiable Name unlike Ramone or the others. it's got risk behind it, and if you guys lynch an uncounterclaimed WASH, you're ALL IDIOTS. It's not the vanilla thing that's getting to me, it's who he CLAIMED. I believe that Wash is in this game (from his elevated status), that means if Cat is not Wash, by the morning we should know if anyone else is wash. If noone else counters, I'm willing to believe for now that THIS is our Wash and lynching WASH is just FOOLISH as a town.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
Unless they're fine w/ going for a no-lynch. In which case, you all might as well just go ahead and say it, because thats what those 1 person votes are doing. Unless you honestly beleive that 14 people are going to join your side in the next 2 hours.....
Yeah, tell me about it. A one off vote at this point is just redundant. Either vote for someone who is in the lead or, if you don't like any of the choices, then don't vote at all. But holding a vote on someone is just pointless, I feel, if you're the only one because I seriously doubt, unless someone starts screaming from the rafters how they're scum, everyone is going to rush onto them.
I finally isolated what was bothering me about the initial crusade against Dotchan.
It was the posts of Idle Thoughts.
He pretty much drove the early lynching cry, and his crusade was based on what I thought at the time was a false assumption. One I still believe is wrong.
All the way through the 800s, he harped on how "Alliance Town" was a separate role in the game from crewman. He still had this belief in post 1036.
From the structure of my role PM and assertions made by others, "Alliance Town" doesn't exist. The phrase used is something equivalent to "citizen of the Alliance" - ie a member of the nation known as "The Alliance".
I stated Alliance Town because that is one of the terms I've seen people who proclaim they are that use themselves, for one.
For two, my beef with dotchan was not how you put it. It was the fact that she originally said she thought that claiming "crew" alignment and "all Alliance dead" winning conditions was narrowing it down for scum.
How this is/was so, I didn't know, and asked her. She continued on about it, and I thus surmised her PM must have read different than mine and also of dnooman's since his and mine must read the same things (alignment and win condition-wise)
So what YOUR beef is with me about that, I have no idea.
There're two more masons, in addition to Mad, if we believe his claim.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall him saying there was only one other one in his faction, his brother.
You seem to be messing up a lot.
Roosh, what good will unvoting do? Me, I'm still suspicious. That might be because I don't know squat about the show and therefore I don't know who the heck "Wash" is. All I know is he claimed vanilla crew and out of alllllllllllllllll the claims today, I think someone's got to be lying. And at this point, I think and fear that it will end up no lynch if everyone unvotes CIAS. Please note: I'm not saying I want to keep my vote on him just to have a lynch. I'm saying it's that PLUS the fact that I'm still suspicious of him, regardless.
It's either going to be him or dotchan toDay, by this point, I think. I am fine voting for either as I find both suspicious and shady. But I am not going to unvote CIAS now just to possibly have to revote him later when nobody else is changing it. I dont' trust dotchan. I don't trust CIAS. Both claimed vanilla roles.
If enough vote for dotchan by tomorrow, I will also. But for now I'm keeping my vote. I will be on tomorrow before Day ends.
Cat, you're obviously reading the thread and have seen the requests for your role claim, yet have chosen to not do so. Why?
A post that reveals nothing after multiple requests for a role claim, is suspect to say the least IMO. Seems to me like you're still trying to figure out a fake claim. Had you been town, and had town interests in mind, you would have claimed by now. You have officially seen the end of the thread, seen the vote count, seen the requests for your role claim, seen the deadline time, and failed to claim anything, let alone the townie power role you're expected to claim in order to stay alive.
Whatever you say now is almost irrelevant. You're basically asking for a hammer now. I'm inclined to let you have it, and I almost wish I could vote for you twice.
I can't believe what I'm seeing here. You need to die.
Charming post dnooman, I have been asleep for the past 8 hours or so and no-one had really said anything about me role-claiming other than Roosh. (He said no)
But as I now have a double digit amount of votes, I guess a roleclaim is necessary.
I really hate it when my retardation shows like that. I hadn't taken into account that you might be on another side of the globe than I am. That is entirely my fault.
I was wondering who's avatar I'd hijacked.
Wash as vanilla? I guess I can see it, but IMO he and Mal are the two coolest roles on the show, and I'd expect him to have a much more robust role, (read: power role).
This role claim does not make me want to take action. Had my vote not been on Cat I wouldn't place it on him, if my vote were elsewhere, I wouldn't be compelled to vote for him. I also don't feel a need to unvote, if the rest of the town does so, and we end up in a no lynch, so be it. A vanilla claim means that my vote stands. One could reason that Cat's claim is a WIFOM "look, I claimed the one thing that would ensure my lynching, I can't be scum" but I'm not going to even think about that right now.
I agree with you on that, Dnoo. But I'm going to vote for the more suspicious of the two roleclaims, as at this point both people have had enough WIFOM placed in front of them that whatever evidence you can use to vote for them, it's been countered by another person, and then there's been another person who can see through and offer more WIFOM to make it look as if the originial poster is still suspicious.
The reason i'm hesistant to vote out Wash is because that's a Name that EVEN I reconize. I'm not a fan of the show, but I can reconize one character from the whole thing and that's Wash. And i'm strongly inclined to believe him if he states he's not a power Role. They can't all be heroes and badasses, so lynching someone "because they're NOT a power role" is terrible. At this point in my head, if no one counter-claims I want to believe that this is our wash. That's as good as confirmed townie to me, because that's the highest profiled role we've seen yet (More so than mine for sure).
Dotchan on the otherhand, I'm still very suspicious of, because of the randomness of it. And yes, there are others who state that they too have a random made up name, but think about this. Just because you have it, doesn't mean everyone with a random fake name automatically has one too. I view the lynching of Dot as providing more information about this "ramone" character than the lynching of WASH. I'm not happy to lynch Dot, but I'm happier to lynch Ramone over Wash at this early stage of the game. Because if Wash turns up to be dead and a townie, what's that show us? that the characters with "good guy" names are possibly townies? I already feel that's the case from my OWN pm. But I'm unsure about these unnamed characters, especially the ones that can give scum an easy out. Because what's to prevent every scum from just going then "well, I'm Fredrico the vanilla crewperson?"
I'm def. pro-saving our ACTUAL IN-Game Verifiable roles vs. Random Name Claims ANY day especially if they have the SAME Roles. So yes, sorry to the one person who also has a non-game related name, but i think that stance is a better one than just lynching off verifiable people at this point. Of course if someone ELSE is called Wash, then for fucks SAKE CLAIM! If you're a power Role even, just CLAIM VANILLA. Because that's all it is right now. But if noone else is even going to claim counter to his role, I am VERY VERY inclined to believe that's our Wash right there. Because if i was scum, i would never take that much of a risk of claiming someone with a Major role in the show vs. Claiming a Random Ass name [Note, this is not an indictment of Dotchan solely on her name. I'm just saying, it's not helping her while i can see Wash's name helping out CatintheSuit].
Am I the only one who sees that this is the logical thing to do?
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
There're two more masons, in addition to Mad, if we believe his claim.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I recall him saying there was only one other one in his faction, his brother.
You seem to be messing up a lot.
Post 1096 and Post 979... Mad states he never said there were only 2 brothers, and Cookies says there were an unquanitifed number, or three. I didn't mess up. Stop fishing for some sort of scumtell on me.
Because if i was scum, i would never take that much of a risk of claiming someone with a Major role in the show vs. Claiming a Random Ass name [Note, this is not an indictment of Dotchan solely on her name. I'm just saying, it's not helping her while i can see Wash's name helping out CatintheSuit].
Am I the only one who sees that this is the logical thing to do?
The really tough part of this is, Roosh, is that we're now setting ourselves up to allow vanilla roleclaims to get scum off the hook. But I'll be buggered if I can imagine having a Firefly game without a Wash, and, if nothing else, time -is- on our side.
Whoever Kaylee is, had better be a power role, though. If she's vanilla, I'm going to be a mighty unhappy camper, here.
crapp crappy house of crap unvote: Cat vote: crappy crappy house of nolynch.
Because if i was scum, i would never take that much of a risk of claiming someone with a Major role in the show vs. Claiming a Random Ass name [Note, this is not an indictment of Dotchan solely on her name. I'm just saying, it's not helping her while i can see Wash's name helping out CatintheSuit].
Am I the only one who sees that this is the logical thing to do?
The really tough part of this is, Roosh, is that we're now setting ourselves up to allow vanilla roleclaims to get scum off the hook. But I'll be buggered if I can imagine having a Firefly game without a Wash, and, if nothing else, time -is- on our side.
Whoever Kaylee is, had better be a power role, though. If she's vanilla, I'm going to be a mighty unhappy camper, here.
crapp crappy house of crap unvote: Cat vote: crappy crappy house of nolynch.
WTF? A no-lynch nets us ZERO information and we go through the same crap tomorrow. Both dotchan and Cat are claiming vanilla, both look suspicious. Don't meta-game based on what you think is or is not an appropriate name for a villain.
WTF? A no-lynch nets us ZERO information and we go through the same crap tomorrow. Both dotchan and Cat are claiming vanilla, both look suspicious. Don't meta-game based on what you think is or is not an appropriate name for a villain.
I'm sure if there's anyone with a speck of doubt about my roleclaim, my bipolar behavior here at the end of the night will be certain that I'm scummy maximally.
Visions of "Night falls, and the town lynches Wash, good ole' pilot of the Serenity, just like he said he was" were dancing through my head. Honestly, if we don't land scum here, I wonder how much information we're really going to get. Most of the arguments for lynching Cat have been somewhat lukewarm, with the exception of the initial argument (it's 4am, here, I'm not going to go searching for who it was) based on him bandwagoning all over the place.
However, I suppose that leaving us in this stale position, with the only person weeded out being whomever the scum decide to knife tonight, isn't going to help in the slightest.
rererererevote: What's his name... Cat... in the suit.
I finally isolated what was bothering me about the initial crusade against Dotchan.
It was the posts of Idle Thoughts.
He pretty much drove the early lynching cry, and his crusade was based on what I thought at the time was a false assumption. One I still believe is wrong.
All the way through the 800s, he harped on how "Alliance Town" was a separate role in the game from crewman. He still had this belief in post 1036.
From the structure of my role PM and assertions made by others, "Alliance Town" doesn't exist. The phrase used is something equivalent to "citizen of the Alliance" - ie a member of the nation known as "The Alliance".
Players are either Crew-aligned or Alliance-aligned. Their nationality status is utterly and completely independent of their game alignment.
And this confusion is why Dotchan is being lynched.
I stated Alliance Town because that is one of the terms I've seen people who proclaim they are that use themselves, for one.
For two, my beef with dotchan was not how you put it. It was the fact that she originally said she thought that claiming "crew" alignment and "all Alliance dead" winning conditions was narrowing it down for scum.
How this is/was so, I didn't know, and asked her. She continued on about it, and I thus surmised her PM must have read different than mine and also of dnooman's since his and mine must read the same things (alignment and win condition-wise)
So what YOUR beef is with me about that, I have no idea.
That surmise is one that I did not make. Why? Because my role PM supports the idea that saying citizen of the Alliance and Crew-aligned, while claiming no powers, is claiming that they are vanilla town. And you were hounding her for claiming to be in the group which is very likely still to be the single largest (in terms of numbers).
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Ugh. Keeping my vote on dotchan at the moment. In the absence of a counter-claim, I can't believe that the freakin' pilot would be scum. Again, I won't be able to check the game until at least 5:00 PM Eastern. I don't know if I'll have time to switch if need be, but right now I trust dotchan's claim the least of the two of them.
Ugh... You guys are rutting crazy. Wash isn't even Alliance townie. He's A PURE CREW Memember.... and i'm VERY VERY VERY Inclined to believe him. More than any other Roleclaim thus far.
Don't be idiots here guys. I'll be rutting pissed if you lynch a rutting CREWMEMBER over alliance townies, Alliance members or whatever else you guys want to constitute the town as. All I know is that Wash is the closest role to my own, and the most likely I want to trust in the absence of a counterclaim.
rutting kill the RANDOM ass person. What info do you gain by killing the rutting PILOT vs. killing the one with an unprovable, unverifiable claim? Who honestly in their right mind is going "Nope. It can't be Ramone! Ramone is ALWAYS TOWN, It's got to be that rutting Pilot! And then his wife next! Oh, and I bet the Captain then is scum too! Let's kill off all the crew! Because they don't live in a town! They live on a spaceship! They MUST be scum!"
I swear, if you lynch wash, I will be WICKED pissed off. And I will NOT let you all forget it. Because THAT is rutting scummy.
Robert Smith Should do a Cover of Coldplay's Clocks, so when he sings "Am I part of the cure/ or am I part of the disease?" We can say, "Ooh, we know this one!"
Some people call me the space cowboy, Yeah... Some call me the gangster of Love....
...but right now I trust dotchan's claim the least of the two of them.
And that's the same route I'm heading down. I don't know a gorram thing about the importance of "Wash" or any of the name claims (but hey, if anyone wants to mail me the DVD's, I'll take a couple of days and get up to speed ), which makes it much easier for me to buy into CatInASuit's vanilla claim.
Since no FF fans can verify dotchan's name claim, I find her to be the (marginally) safer bet.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1317 on Yesterday at 10:16pm »
Crappity Crap Crap Crap.
OK, in the absence of a counterclaim (which may yet come) I believe that Cat is Wash. This is a FF themed game, I am 99% positive that an FF themed game is going to have Wash as a character in it, thus I think a scum would be insane to claim Wash.
On the off chance Cat has false name-claimed, we really need the real Wash to name claim right now. Don't need a role claim, just a name claim.
You know what, if no one else does name claim Wash, I do believe I'm happy for a no-lynch to happen toDay. (shocked? yes so am I) Bare with me on this (so, assuming no name counter-claim) - We have just gotten some information which I consider 99% reliable - Cat is Wash is a vanilla crewperson. This is exactly the information we would have received from a lynch, except we don't lose a confirmed townie to get it!
The one minor WIFOM sticking point is that this does rely on the Wash character being a good guy. I personally think NAF/Kat have gone with a traditional setup in that respect. And yes I am aware of the "infamous" Harry Potter game on Mafiascum, but I don't think that is the case in this game, IMO.
So on that basis, I am not going to vote for CatinaSuit unless there is a name counter-claim. And this Day ends at some ungodly hour in the morning for me, and I am off to bed very shortly, so I find it unlikely that I will actually be around for Days end anyway.
A little footnote, From my perspective and my thinking as outlined above this does leave Dotchan in a precarious position, because she unfortunately does not have the same luxury of a well known character name to fallback on. Even though I personally get a town read from her.
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Re: Day 1 « Reply #1318 on Yesterday at 10:20pm »
Meh, so it comes down to who looks scummier, but I have a sinking feeling most people are going to vote on the basis of whose name claim is less believable.
Well...technically, we have another 20 hours or so, but to make it harder for opportunistic scum to "accidentally" hammer Cat, unvote CatInASuit.