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« Reply #1140 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:19am »
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Apologies for the double post but I had two different things I wanted to address and thought it best to split them up.

That other thing is in regard to Dio's claim of Mr Universe, what troubled me and struck me as extremely odd was :

He investigated Hal and got only fuzzy screens!?

I came up with the following four options for this result:
A) - a roleblocker chose to use his power on Dio,
B) - Hal is immune to investigation,
C) - Dio is telling the truth but his investigative power has only an x% chance of success.
D) - Dio is lying his ass off and is not Mr Universe, and is trying to smudge Hal.

A) - I think is unlikely - there was not a lot of info to go off in Night 0.5, so a roleblocker I think would essentially be randomising their power use. 1 in 27 chance of it being Dio targeted.

B) - possible - if it is the case I think it pins Hal as super-scummy, and likely a power role scum at that,

C) - possible - but I presume Dio would know if this was the case, and would(?) tell us. I don't think there is any further harm in reporting this aspect of his power if it is the case.

D) - also possible - If there is a real Mr Universe out there though, I'm not sure I'd want them to counter claim so early in the game, and have to pray there is a doctor role, who would then have to bet 50/50 on which Mr Uni to protect.

D) part 2 the WIFOM - Why smudge Hal? If Dio expects to get away with a false claim, makes Hal look real bad! If Dio expects a counter claim it would give a fellow scum good town cred!

So in summary, I just found the fuzzy screens thing really troubling, and it has stopped me from just accepting Dio's claim on face value.

So on the basis of above I am going to FOS Hal Briston & FOS Diomedes

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« Reply #1141 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:23am »
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Edit on the above - My attempt at a colon has produced an embarassed smily and some other weird code?

Preview, you idiot preview! :-[ (I meant this one)


Mod's can you ditch the coding for the smiley in the post above please ?
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« Reply #1142 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:31am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 8:48am, Idle Thoughts wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 7:25am, drainbead wrote:


I was actually going to put something like that in my post, Dio, and then didn't. Your role is pretty gorram close to our cop. Oh, and I'm sorry.


And I see here you do it yet again. That's like, three times now when you fail to mention an important point until someone points it out to you (or you suddenly remember you left it out yourself) and reply back with "Oh yeah...this too".

I don't think dot is our best choice anymore. I think you and/or Cat are.


I'm curious as to what the other two times are. Also, I had a good reason as to why I didn't include that point in my first post. I almost didn't include it in my second as well, and am regretting it now, since you're using it to smear me.

Idle, believe me when I say that I am playing a horrid game of Mafia. Every decision I have made has been the wrong one.
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« Reply #1143 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:35am »
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« Reply #1144 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:39am »
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Sept 18, 2007, 2:31pm, Idle Thoughts wrote:
And speaking of that, what is with all of these names? From the lot of you I've heard: Alliance Citizen, Crewperson, and Vanilla Town...even with some mixes, like VanillaCrew.

Changing the name constantly breeds more confusion, I feel. At least I'm feeling it.


This is the post I FoSed you for, Idle. I didn't go straight to a post because I'm still not sure what to make of it. At least this seems to suggest you have a different role than me or dnooman.
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« Reply #1145 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:40am »
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*Edit by way of double post: "I didn't go straight to a VOTE", yeesh.
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« Reply #1146 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:56am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 9:19am, Greedy Smurf wrote:

A) - I think is unlikely - there was not a lot of info to go off in Night 0.5, so a roleblocker I think would essentially be randomising their power use. 1 in 27 chance of it being Dio targeted.

I suppose, on further consideration, that option A is unlikely. Because no killing was allowed on Night One, a pro-town miller would probably not want to use his power then. What else other than cop discovery would he be blocking?

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B) - possible - if it is the case I think it pins Hal as super-scummy, and likely a power role scum at that,

Also possible, but I hadn't thought of that as a reason. Every time we've had a power scum role, it's been that they were investigated as town. This would certainly make for a weaker power scum role than the standard Godfather type.

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C) - possible - but I presume Dio would know if this was the case, and would(?) tell us. I don't think there is any further harm in reporting this aspect of his power if it is the case.

Perhaps the most likely option in my book, although I wasn't told about my searches being questionable. My PMs were done somewhat in character, and I don't think an investigative character would know that his powers were less than precise.

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D) - also possible - If there is a real Mr Universe out there though, I'm not sure I'd want them to counter claim so early in the game, and have to pray there is a doctor role, who would then have to bet 50/50 on which Mr Uni to protect.

D) part 2 the WIFOM - Why smudge Hal? If Dio expects to get away with a false claim, makes Hal look real bad! If Dio expects a counter claim it would give a fellow scum good town cred!

Again, I don't take much out of my fuzzy read on Hal because I'm mostly guessing it has to do with my equipment (not working all the time or roleblocked), and not Hal. As far as bad claiming on my part, well, all I can say is that there won't be another Mr. Universe out there to counterclaim (of course I'd say that), but there are other characters in the 'verse who might have investigative roles of one variety or another in this game.

My power, in case I haven't made it clear, is not an alignment checker, by the way. I watch to see if people do things at night, so I imagine I'll get the same result from an inactive scum as I would from a crew/ vanilla townie/Alliance crewmember/crewperson/local yokel/whatever the fuck we're calling them these days/ with no powers.
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« Reply #1147 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:16am »
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Who here likes plot twists?

At this point, I am disinclined to vote for the following individuals: Roosh, Diomedes, Mad, dnooman, Dotchan; thus unvote Dotchan. There are others on this list, but I would prefer not to make those names public at this time.

Further, I am inclined to look suspiciously at the following, specifically because of tone: CatInASuit, HockeyMonkey, Pygmy Rugger, mtgman, Cookies, GreedySmurf. I am prepared to vote for them in that order, but will be willing to vote as far down the list as necessary to ensure a lynching. Thus, vote CatInASuit. There are others that belong on that list, but I cannot recall them all at this time.

The reasoning is simple. Well aware that there is minimal information today, there will be the tone of those who don't know what's going on and are frantically trying to make sense of it. I suspect a large number of those people (many of whom have role-claimed) are vanilla townies. However, there is an alternative tone that is indicative of having some sort of conceived plan.

I know this seems rather vague, but I'm low on time at the moment, and I will attempt to flush this out more in a bit. There is a wealth of knowledge in certain sections of thread, and I'll look through it with a keener eye perhaps sometime tomorrow.
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« Reply #1148 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:17am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 9:10am, dotchan wrote:
[quote author=admin board=game thread=1189466937 post=1190144961]Anyway, I'm leaning more towards Dio being town. So I'm going to unvote Drain Bead for now and vote CatInASuit as he is also on the bottom of my suspicion/leaning more towards shady character list.


Wait, Idle, are you voting for people you're less suspicious towards? This makes no sense.[/quote

What makes no sense is how you got that from what I wrote. ???

I was saying (at the time) I wasn't suspicious of Dio and that I was of DB and CIAS. My vote, at the time, was on DB who had two votes total.
CIAS had FIVE votes at the time and Dio had about four or five himself. Therefore since I was leaning more "that he's town" I unvoted DB (whom I STILL am suspcious over) and voted for CIAS so it'd be her closer to the lynch than Dio was.

What about that don't you get?
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« Reply #1149 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:25am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 9:39am, dotchan wrote:

Sept 18, 2007, 2:31pm, Idle Thoughts wrote:
And speaking of that, what is with all of these names? From the lot of you I've heard: Alliance Citizen, Crewperson, and Vanilla Town...even with some mixes, like VanillaCrew.

Changing the name constantly breeds more confusion, I feel. At least I'm feeling it.


This is the post I FoSed you for, Idle. I didn't go straight to a post because I'm still not sure what to make of it. At least this seems to suggest you have a different role than me or dnooman.


I don't see how. When you have all of these names out there ("Alliance Citizen", "Crewperson", "Vanilla Town" and even "Vanilla Crew") it makes it very hard to know what, exactly, your group is. I only know what my alignment is and it's just one, not multiple.
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« Reply #1150 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:26am »
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Actually, Idle, my question was more about the second sentence:


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So I'm going to unvote Drain Bead for now and vote CatInASuit as he is also on the bottom of my suspicion/leaning more towards shady character list.


Who is on the bottom of your suspicion list, and who is leaning more towards shady character list?
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« Reply #1151 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:29am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 10:17am, Senor Cabron wrote:

What about that don't you get?


You said "bottom" for your suspicion list, instead of "top".

People really need to stop trying to find scumtells in language slips or strange constructions.
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« Reply #1152 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:30am »
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By the way, sorry, CatInASuit for using the wrong pronoun there. Even changing your name doesn't always do it. :X
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« Reply #1153 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:38am »
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Actually, Idle, my question was more about the second sentence:


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So I'm going to unvote Drain Bead for now and vote CatInASuit as he is also on the bottom of my suspicion/leaning more towards shady character list.


Who is on the bottom of your suspicion list, and who is leaning more towards shady character list?


CIAS is. But whether he's at the top or at the bottom, the point remains I am suspicious of him. And, at the time, he was the only one who was matching Dio in votes.

Since Drain Bead had only ONE other vote (making it two, including mine) at the time and: A Was probably not going to be lynched and B. It looked like Dio was I switched my vote to someone else I find shady.

It's like Blaster just said in his post above. I have a certain order of suspected people, yes, but I WILL unvote and vote for others on the list so that there will be a lynch, even if that's the one at the very bottom of it.
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« Reply #1154 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:41am »
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Blaster, what is it about my tone that you don't like? I'm just frustrated at the amount of energy we have collectively spent already to no end. I've placed my votes toDay on the people who seemed the scummiest at the time, and I've been wrong every time! (Or at least everyone who has claimed has been believable to me.) It's frustrating as guay! Now I have to

unvote Diomedes.

I don't rutting know who to vote for now. ??? I'm going to go back to an earlier thought and

vote Tragic.

So what if this isn't popular. I don't care. She hasn't posted enough to give us a read on her, so I'm thinking newbie scum who doesn't want to attract attention. I think I'm about done with Day One. I'll continue to keep up with the vote record, but I don't expect to be doing any more indepth analysis. Unless someone accidentally posts to the wrong thread or something like that, I imagine my vote will stay where it is.
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« Reply #1155 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:41am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 10:17am, Senor Cabron wrote:

What about that don't you get?


You said "bottom" for your suspicion list, instead of "top".

People really need to stop trying to find scumtells in language slips or strange constructions.


No. I meant bottom. CIAS is at the bottom of my suspected list. But does it matter if he's at the top or bottom of it when he's on it AT ALL? I don't think it matters where he's at on it. He had a lot of votes and so did you at the time. I felt YOU were Town and I felt he was more shady so in order to put him to lynch if either of you and to also GET a lynch today hopefully, I changed it.
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« Reply #1156 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:46am »
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Quickly punching in to note that I was unexpectedly 99% offline since the weekend. I'll do my best to catch up tomorrow, but since I left off at Post #665 and now have to get up to #1155 (plus whatever gets posted overnight), I have a feeling there will be quite a bit of skimming.
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« Reply #1157 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:02am »
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Sorry for not posting in a while. I've been traveling for the last few days. While I was gone, I planned to be as involved as possible, but every time I checked the board there was too much to read in the amount of time I had to post anything. So, I'm posting now based on what I've read in the last couple of pages.

I find it very odd that we have a role claim from Diomedes stating that he must have gotten role-blocked on the first night. I take that to mean that we're supposed to believe that the roleblocker chose him out of a hat of 27 people (unless, of course, the alleged roleblocker is scum, and then the pool would be a bit less but still very unlikely).

So, I'm thinking it's most likely that Diomedes is not telling the truth (although, it's possible that he is). However I'm reticent to either point my finger and more especially my vote on him, because of first, the possibility that he's telling the truth, and second that he may have a good reason besides being scum not to tell the truth.

I've had a pretty strong feeling from the beginning that he is town, and for that reason I'm a little nervous about even making this post, but with him fairly high on the vote list so far, I'd like everyone to at least consider my line of reasoning.
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« Reply #1158 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:02am »
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Blaster, what is it about my tone that you don't like? I'm just frustrated at the amount of energy we have collectively spent already to no end. I've placed my votes toDay on the people who seemed the scummiest at the time, and I've been wrong every time! (Or at least everyone who has claimed has been believable to me.) It's frustrating as guay! Now I have to

unvote Diomedes.

I don't rutting know who to vote for now. ??? I'm going to go back to an earlier thought and

vote Tragic.

So what if this isn't popular. I don't care. She hasn't posted enough to give us a read on her, so I'm thinking newbie scum who doesn't want to attract attention. I think I'm about done with Day One. I'll continue to keep up with the vote record, but I don't expect to be doing any more indepth analysis. Unless someone accidentally posts to the wrong thread or something like that, I imagine my vote will stay where it is.


Hockey, I know the feeling for not having a good read. But a vote for tragic at this point is a vote for no lynch.
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« Reply #1159 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:06am »
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Busy day for me, releasing software that has been stalled since my developer tragically died back in June (for those who weren't following M3).

drainbead: What the guay am I doing on your list of non-voters? Sure, I had unvoted yesterday (it was yesterday, wasn't it?) and didn't have a vote on at the time that you compiled your list, but to lump me in with Caerie and wtf like that is NOT cool, imho. I've voted and unvoted a few times now, but not nearly as often as some, and I don't consider that a bad thing. Are you implying that unvotes have to be accompanied by revotes in the same post? Because that is BS.

At this point I'm beginning to wonder how much more damage we're doing to ourselves by not ending the day sooner, as the longer we go the more role-claims occur. I sure as guay hope that one or more of these claims is fake.

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« Reply #1161 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:17am »
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No, it's not a vote for No Lynch. It's a vote for Tragic. I need to go blow off some steam and come back to this tomorrow. I won't let a No Lynch happen because of my vote. I'll change it if need be, but I have a list like Blaster of people I won't be voting for. I just can't believe the sheer volume of material this day has generated. Frustrated isn't even the right word. It's not strong enough.
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« Reply #1162 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:03pm »
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Vote: Diomedes

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 Re: Day 1
« Reply #1163 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:19pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 10:41am, hockeymonkey wrote:
<snip>Unless someone accidentally posts to the wrong thread or something like that, I imagine my vote will stay where it is.


Now, you can't possibly think any of us are stupid enough to do that, can you? ::)


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 Re: Day 1
« Reply #1164 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:39pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 12:19pm, Rugger, Pygmy wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 10:41am, hockeymonkey wrote:
<snip>Unless someone accidentally posts to the wrong thread or something like that, I imagine my vote will stay where it is.


Now, you can't possibly think any of us are stupid enough to do that, can you? ::)


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I vaguely recall something like that happening before. ;D

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 Re: Day 1
« Reply #1165 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:47pm »
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Well, since my wife is in a marathon phone call gab session with her mother, I've been able to do some catching up, of sorts.

My first intention was to just look for votes/unvotes so I could update the spreadsheet. Right around this time...

Sept 18, 2007, 6:36am, Rugger, Pygmy wrote:
Vote MadtheSwine
Unvote MadtheSwine
Vote dotchan

I want the voting record to show that I find Mad very inconsistent, and think the way he claimed is just... odd.

...I threw my hands up and said "fuck this". Too much. Maybe I'll come back to it once I get some sleep.

So, after that, I started paying a little more attention to content, and got to Diomedes role claim.

I'm...skeptical.

I can't say that I know 100% that he's lying, but let's put it this way: I guess my actions in the last game put an investigative target on my back, because I know three things to be factual:
1: Someone else did some kind of investigation of me last night
2: That that person was successful
3: That that person's name was not "Mr. Universe".

If Dio is telling the truth, then someone else would have had to have blocked him, because I was ripe for the investigating.
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« Reply #1166 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:51pm »
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Hal, I've also been keeping track of the votes and unvotes (along with most of the FoS/unFoS action). When Night 1 rolls around, I'll post my full list.
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« Reply #1167 on Sept 19, 2007, 12:56pm »
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I'm am starting to truly loathe this game. After almost 40 rutting pages, I'm sitting here hemming and hawing about a (re)vote that I'd probably find hard to swallow from anyone else (let alone myself) in any other game I've played in. I had my reservations about it the first time I cast it in this game, and I still have them, but I'm going through with it again anyway.

If dotchan is lying, a vote for her could contribute to lynching scum, or a power role that she's attempting to conceal (unlikely). If dotchan is not lying, a vote for her could potentially sacrifice a vanilla townie.

I've read and re-read as much of the game so far as I'm able to, and the most stable and reassuring perspective that I'm able to find is that even if we're wrong about a dotchan lynch, the damage done would be comparatively minimal.

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Sept 19, 2007, 12:47pm, Hal Briston wrote:

I can't say that I know 100% that he's lying, but let's put it this way: I guess my actions in the last game put an investigative target on my back, because I know three things to be factual:
1: Someone else did some kind of investigation of me last night
2: That that person was successful
3: That that person's name was not "Mr. Universe".

If Dio is telling the truth, then someone else would have had to have blocked him, because I was ripe for the investigating.


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« Reply #1168 on Sept 19, 2007, 1:26pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 12:56pm, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies wrote:


Sept 19, 2007, 12:47pm, Hal Briston wrote:

I can't say that I know 100% that he's lying, but let's put it this way: I guess my actions in the last game put an investigative target on my back, because I know three things to be factual:
1: Someone else did some kind of investigation of me last night
2: That that person was successful
3: That that person's name was not "Mr. Universe".

If Dio is telling the truth, then someone else would have had to have blocked him, because I was ripe for the investigating.


Bwuah? ???


Sounds like he's saying he was investigated or used by someone's role last night, knows the name of the character that did it (but not the person who is playing them apparently), knows that whoever was prodding around after him was successful in getting info, and that all of that was not "Mr Universe".

Of course, HOW he knows all of these things remains to be seen. I'm assuming it either has to do with a power he really has (either for the good or bad side) or one he's making up for a future role claim.


I dunno but if Dio is telling the truth, maybe that's why his read was fuzzy. Because someone else was already investigating Hal.

Dunno what the game mechanics of that are. For all we know, it might hinge on order of Night events.
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« Reply #1169 on Sept 19, 2007, 1:39pm »
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PHUCK!

This is getting annoying. Seriously. I've been trying to find the post that I made about Mad and his brother possibly claiming, and I've given up. It seems that only Pygmy was listening to it anyways.

I've reached the point where I think that a LOT of people are potential scum, and the rest seem like retarded townies. I guess I can't exclude myself from the latter group, I'm not exactly Stephen Hawking here.

I think that I have to wait until things progress (if they do) further, until I solidify my final vote.

There are too many people who are actually posting (hint to the Mods, poke?) who are either not believing semi-credible data, or are whole-heartedly believing questionable data. It really makes me stabby.

Oh yeah. Hey scum! Come get me bitches! Confirm my role, and put me out of this reading marathon misery. I'm only a vanilla Crewperson, but I'm gorram near confirmed. Kill me if you dare, you wussy bastards!

If there's a Vig, kill me if you need Crew-alligned dead, but don't kill me if you need scum dead. If there's a cop, they are welcome to investigate me, but would be better served by investigating someone else. Do what you will, just make sure the info gets to the public before you die.

If there's a head scum of some sort, please listen closely. "I'm gonna fart in yo mouf!"

I plan on taunting the scum until they get fed up with me. They can kill me and confirm my role claim, which would lend at least a little credence to a couple other claims, or they can let me live and hope that my survival indicates that I might be scum. I'm betting on the former, but they do want to find any and all townie power roles, so I might live for a few nights.

I really don't expect to stay alive that long, so I'm going to continue to be as transparent as I can be within reason.

That said, I'm currently suspecting Catinasuit, SS Blam, DrainBead, Idle Thoughts, and the uber-lurkers. There is almost a 0% chance that I identified all of the scum, and possibly a greater possibility that none of them are scum. I would bet though, that at least one of them is scum.

Meh. I think I have the license to play things a bit "fast and loose" here. I had the same idea in M3, but I was way too aggressive in attracting suspicion. The way I see it, I'm as vanilla as they come, my death is better than that of even a minor power role today. I'll be content to be a thorn in the side of the scum psychologically, and if a lynch is needed, I'd rather go than a potential town power role.

It's odd how sometimes one can go from a "I'm gonna have fun" perspective, to a "this is not so fun" perspective, and back to a "I'm gonna have fun" perspective.
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