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« Reply #1170 on Sept 19, 2007, 1:44pm »
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« Reply #1171 on Sept 19, 2007, 2:16pm »
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Well, the good thing I can say to you, dnooman, is that at least you reserved your role claim a bit. Even back then, it was considered 'early' (and you're essentially vanilla). Now we have folks almost signing up just to get their role-claims out.

Here's the vote totals that were on before each role claim we've had so far (with the claiming post after). I can't guarantee total accuracy.

dnooman (9) 1.506
Roosh (8) 1.601
dotchan (2) 1.864
Mad (6) 1.767 ("I am a Mason.")
Diomedes (5) 1.1104



Please stop it.

Role claiming ought to be a last resort. If you really think we're going to let things get to 50% votes before you get a chance to role claim, you are underestimating the crew. Anyone who does this (hammers before a claim chance, even 'accidentally') will get tarred and feathered before nightfall. All we've done so far is give up our info to the scum like a two-bit doxy.

So don't think we're going to run the bandwagon off the rails at the slightest chance we get. It's not going to happen. [... until the final day, that is ... unfortunately, I came to this realization a bit too late I fear.]


As for diomedes, I'm not buying the role claim. Hal Briston's information is interesting as well. On the other hand, tomorrow we'll have a slightly better chance of verifying, so I'm not exactly sure we need to lynch him today, if there's a more likely candidate available.
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« Reply #1172 on Sept 19, 2007, 2:22pm »
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Off-To-Bed Vote Count

atarus (1): Mad The Swine
CatInASuit (4): atarus, Yattara, Pygmy Rugger, Idle Thoughts
Diomedes (4): dotchan, Captain Klutz, panamajack, mtgman
drainbead (1) FCoD
Idle Thoughts (2): dnooman, zeriel
mtgman (1): diggitcamera
Pygmy Rugger (1): drainbead
tragic (1): hockeymonkey
dotchan (7): Roosh, CatInASuite, Spaceman BlaM, sinjin, Greedy Smurf, Diomedes, Cookies
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« Reply #1173 on Sept 19, 2007, 2:35pm »
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Hey Mods, can we get a recheck on the vote count please, the one above is missing at least one

Spaceman Spiff has voted for CIAS, not sure if there are any other changes.
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« Reply #1174 on Sept 19, 2007, 2:48pm »
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OK, I guess I'm down with limiting the voting toDay to those that have received votes already.

The scum are voting people! We need to find a way to get past whatever stigmas we have, in order to make a good guess about who might be scum, and then kill them by dragging them behind a truck on a back country road. Scum do not deserve a civilized death, they die like gos se on a shoe, or a rat in a trap.

The scum should either bite my crank (Revenge of the Nerds reference), or maybe suck a few farts out of my ass. Perhaps fellatio at gun point isn't the best, it requires attention to detail in order to be really affective. So, I submit to the scum, a guide for sucking my penis ...ok I have to stop. I spat on my computer as a result of laughing, and I have no plans on doing so again.

::slaps all townies in the mouth, hard enough to wake us up::

My fellow townies are not really helping things here, either they are lurkers, rogue operators, or something else.

I need sleep. This game wears on me.
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« Reply #1175 on Sept 19, 2007, 3:16pm »
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I can't sleep either, but then I can't come up with anything to add.

I did come up with something that might help you, dnooman.

This is sure to set off a frenzy of activity that ought to result in some excitement, and maybe even your death!

Everyone, just go watch this and let us know how you feel :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7idn3PcKBM
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« Reply #1176 on Sept 19, 2007, 3:33pm »
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by the way, when I said earlier "tomorrow we'll have a better chance to verify" I meant 'Tomorrow' or toMorrow, or ToMorRow.

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And then is heard no more: it is a tale
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« Reply #1177 on Sept 19, 2007, 3:36pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 1:39pm, dnooman wrote:


(hint to the Mods, poke?)


I am happy to poke anyone you want, just tell me who and put it in green so I can find it.
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« Reply #1178 on Sept 19, 2007, 3:37pm »
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Off to bed, but I just wanted to put it on record that I'm willing to switch my vote tomorrow to avoid a no lynch.


Sept 19, 2007, 3:16pm, panamajack wrote:
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Everyone, just go watch this and let us know how you feel :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7idn3PcKBM


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« Reply #1179 on Sept 19, 2007, 3:47pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 2:35pm, CatInASuit wrote:
Hey Mods, can we get a recheck on the vote count please, the one above is missing at least one

Spaceman Spiff has voted for CIAS, not sure if there are any other changes.

Whoops, my bad. I didn't record that change on our spreadsheet.
New Vote Count

dotchan (6): Roosh, CatInASuite, sinjin, Greedy Smurf, Diomedes, Cookies

CatInASuit (5): atarus, Yattara, Pygmy Rugger, Idle Thoughts, Spaceman BlaM

Diomedes (4): dotchan, Captain Klutz, panamajack, mtgman

Idle Thoughts (2): dnooman, zeriel

atarus (1): Mad The Swine
drainbead (1) FCoD
mtgman (1): diggitcamera
Pygmy Rugger (1): drainbead
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« Reply #1180 on Sept 19, 2007, 4:03pm »
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« Reply #1181 on Sept 19, 2007, 4:26pm »
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Ow. *rubs her slapped mouth* You're lucky...only my closest of anonymous online aquaintences get to slap me and provide me instructions for sucking their dick. :P


That is the best thing I have ever read. I will strive to keep it that way, even if partial blindness needs to be invoked. I'd say that you owe me a new, saliva free keyboard, but I'm really the one at fault here. My neighbors do not appreciate your comment, as it is making me giggle loudly. Those fuckers.

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« Reply #1182 on Sept 19, 2007, 4:38pm »
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As promised (nearly 24 hours later, as something unexpected came up that had me busy all day), here is an analysis of CatInASuit's posts related to the "only on the bandwagons that led to role claims" reason that got him my vote.

Let's start here, with Post 1.485. In this post, Cat gives his suspicious list. Out of the five people he names, four currently have votes against them. (dnooman, Roosh, Mad, and Idle.) And the primary suspicions are of people who have multiple votes (dnooman has 8 at this point, Roosh has 6, and Mad has 2. Idle has 1 vote.) In the same point, Cat then votes for who he is most suspicious of, dnooman. This is the ninth vote on the dnooman train.

Next post is the one where Cat unvotes dnooman and now votes for Roosh, the next person on his suspicion list. Post 1.598. At this point, there are only 3 votes left on dnooman (2 after Cat unvotes), but there are now 7 votes on Roosh and 4 on Mad. Cat makes the 8th vote on Roosh. After Roosh role-claims as Inara, Cat is the first person to unvote Roosh, here at Post 1.605.

Now at this point, Cat doesn't post anything with any game content until Post 1.753 when he votes for Mad. When Cat votes for Mad, there are still only 4 votes on him, Roosh has tailed down to only 2 votes on him, and dnooman has none. After not putting up much discussion about the dnoooman and Roosh role-claims, he argues and prods Mad for more information in Posts 1.85 0, 1.90 2, and 1.90 7. Cat eventually unvotes Mad at 1.96 0.

Finally, Cat votes for dotchan at Post 1.991, and since has adamantly defended his stance on a dotchan lynch. At the time of him voting dotchan, there were 4 people voting for dotchan, 3 for Mad, and 3 for Diomedes.

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Those are the straight posts, now here is my interpretation of how this relates to scummy behavior by Cat. Cat's suspicion list containing 4 of the 5 people with votes at the time draws up huge flags in my mind. It sets up an easy out for later if he wants to join a bandwagon on any of the people on his list, especially considering two of the people had significant bandwagons at the point of his list.

So Cat votes dnooman, sending him to nearly double digits in terms of voters for him. On the same page as Cat's vote, dnooman role claims. Suddenly the voting train on dnooman switches gears. So does Cat, who switches now to the second person on his list, Roosh. Shortly after Cat votes for Roosh, Roosh role-claims, and Cat immediately unvotes. At this point, the actions could be considered relatively townie.

Here's where it gets a bit scummy. After Cat's unvote for Roosh, he doesn't post anything game for about 150 posts. And during this time period, Mad's bandwagon never takes off. Drainbead votes and unvotes him, but most of these 150 posts are static about the verifiability of Roosh's role-claim and what to do about it.

So Cat steps in, conveniently reminds everyone of the Mad-mtg-story fiasco that had sort of slipped through the cracks 'twixt dnooman and Roosh's roleclaims, and votes Mad. Soon after, drainbead re-votes Mad, and presto! Mad claims he's Mason.

But this time, instead of unvoting immediately, Cat presses Mad for more information. A few people unvote Mad after his masonic claim, but Cat persists. In fact, Cat presents such a compelling argument as to why Mad is acting scummy and should give more info, that people vote for Mad AFTER he's claimed Mason, one person even citing Cat for swaying their opinion.

When does Cat let up and unvote Mad? After Mad finally outted the full extent of information about the Masonic group he was in, all the information he had on his brother.

To me, this entire thing with Cat reeks of a scum trying to get on bandwagons to out power roles. However, as I was reading Cat's past posts, I found something even more scummy.

Early posts by Cat in the Day:


Sept 12, 2007, 3:45pm, CatInASuit wrote:
In terms of lynching people given their name. Welcome to the world of ambiguity. Some names will be obvious as to whether they are town or scum, others will be less so and an argument within the town as to whether they should be lynched or not based on what people think they are like from the TV series is not going to be beneficial to the town.



Sept 12, 2007, 5:35pm, CatInASuit wrote:
To lynch someone based on their name though, as far as I am concerned, is a really dumb thing to do.


Reasons Cat has given for his continued voting for Dotchan:


Sept 18, 2007, 5:53am, CatInASuit wrote:
Anyone who cannot find their character name at all is probably trying to hide their true name. So voting for someone whose name cannot be found is likely to turn up Alliance scum. This is nothing to do with mass claiming and everything to do with not actually being there.

Sorry dotchan, this means you.



Sept 19, 2007, 3:07am, CatInASuit wrote:
I am still voting for dotchan because of, what I consider to be, her slip concerning the crew, and that her descriptions of being a townie does not ring right with me and what I know. Also the fact she is the first allegedly vanilla townie, that cannot be verified by any means, especially in a themed game. I will admit a chunk of it is also because of the meta possiblilities concerning character names.


(underlining mine)

So at the beginning of the Day, Cat says that he thinks voting for someone based on their name is a dumb idea, and yet one of the reasons he uses as to why he's keeping his vote on dotchan is because her name doesn't fit. I think that's very suspicious.

I think there's enough evidence here for me to keep my vote where it is. Hopefully this turns out to be useful to other people.
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« Reply #1183 on Sept 19, 2007, 4:46pm »
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I guess that means the coffee break is over? :'(
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« Reply #1184 on Sept 19, 2007, 4:53pm »
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Did someone mention coffee :)

Oh BTW atarus, nice hatchet job. Completely lacking in context, but hey.

I will respond later.

After coffee.
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« Reply #1185 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:36pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 11:06am, ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies wrote:

drainbead: What the guay am I doing on your list of non-voters? Sure, I had unvoted yesterday (it was yesterday, wasn't it?) and didn't have a vote on at the time that you compiled your list, but to lump me in with Caerie and wtf like that is NOT cool, imho. I've voted and unvoted a few times now, but not nearly as often as some, and I don't consider that a bad thing. Are you implying that unvotes have to be accompanied by revotes in the same post? Because that is BS.


My post wasn't to point out lurkers, it was to say "Hey, folks who aren't voting--could you please check in soon?" Anyone who has even given this game a cursory glance knows you aren't lurking. But right now, a no-vote hurts us. So does my one-off vote, which is why right now I'm changing to unvote Pygmy and revote Dotchan. I've got my eye on CatInASuit too, and I still haven't stopped being suspicious of pygmy either. But right now, we need to get someone lynched, and I think that dotchan is the safest pick of the two main ones.

And this whole thing with Hal and Dio is just...weird.
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« Reply #1186 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:04pm »
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Rereading is fun. Here I am on page 27, and I still haven't got to the bit that is nagging at me. But I did come across this thought.

Sept 16, 2007, 1:30pm, hockeymonkey wrote:
Doh, forgot to mention...while I was looking for that post, I found another interesting one.

Post 737 by sinjin says that she has a bad guy name in the FF-verse, but is a good guy in the NAFKat-verse. It made me raise an eyebrow. It does lend some credence to her adamant protest of Roosh's Big Plan v.1.0, but then again, it doesn't line up with popular wisdom on the subject.

I found that claim entirely reasonable. NAF & Kat would have been aware of the risk of mass roleclaiming shattering the entire game on Day 1, and would have put some counters to the strategy in. The most obvious is a role which is unequivocally on one side in the series being of the opposite alignment in the other.

In fact, I expect one of the players with the name of a crew member to have a non-Crew alignment. This is why I maintain some scepticism of the general consensus that Roosh is town if he's telling the truth. I have no trouble thinking that Sinjin has a role that works the other way.

Now if you excuse me I want to read a couple more pages before rl drags me away for the afternoon.
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« Reply #1187 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:38pm »
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Ok, a rebuttal to atarus.

First things first: what a we playing. A themed game of Firefly, where we are playing characters with names from within the show.

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Part 1: The suspicion list.

I did create a suspicion list and I have been working down it, taking the next person along when I was reasonably satisified that they were not scum.

dnooman. I was clear that my reason for voting for him, was due to his slip on the previous night .In 'twixt me voting for him and unvoting him, he did roleclaim and I was happy that he was vanilla. So after that - on to the next person on the list I considered scummy.

roosh: I had already pointed out several flaws with roosh's plan, however his behaviour and posts led me to vote for him. When he claimed a minor power role, I am quite happy to unvote him as we should not vote for power roles (however minor the power). If someone was to counterclaim, I would then have to vote for one of the two people.

MadTheSwine: The third person on my list and so after Roosh claims, I would look to see if he was as scummy as I thought. He was being evasive and provided no explanation to my eyes that validated his attack. In fact, AFAIAC he had lied. Lynch all Liars is a reasonable rule and so voting for him was a reasonable thing to do. Given that the previous roleclaims were pretty obvious as to who they were, I was not satisfied with MadTheSwine's roleclaim especially as it could not be verified at that time from firefly character lists. When MadTheSwine fully roleclaimed, the character could be found and was appropriate to the description so I unvoted him.

Please Note: That at this point, dotchan had said that she could not find her character name in the Firefly Universe.

The same goes for FlyingCowOfDoom

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Part 2: Characters in the firefly universe.

My basic assumption is that all the characters in the game can be found in the Firefly universe. NAF has more or less confirmed this by pointing out the wikipedia lists and in the general setup of the game.

My point about not voting for someone because of their name is as follows. Just because a character might be bad in the Firefly canon, it cannot be said they are bad in this game. So taking someone's name from the Firefly canon and voting on them purely because yiou think the character portayed is evil is a mistake. To prove this point, I used the example of the Operative from the firefly movie who could be either town or scum depending on what NAF/Kat felt like.

This applies to people who have a character that can by found in the Firefly canon.

dotchan claimed a name of "Ramiro", which cannot be found in the firefly canon character lists. So "Ramiro" is not a character in the game, so dotchan's character cannot be called Ramiro. Therefore dotchan is lying.

Lynch all liars in the same way as I went after MadTheSwine., which is why my vote has not wavered and will not waver.

To me, an equivalent would be claiming a power role that does not exist in an open game and expecting everyone to believe it.

I can see where dnooman is coming from with his concerns, but I think a second slip by dotchan means they are groundless.

NAF said that not all the characters in the game would be on the lists. Well we have discovered two of them today, is there likely to be a character named in the game not on the lists?

Any questions.
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« Reply #1188 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:47pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 12:47pm, Hal Briston wrote:

I can't say that I know 100% that he's lying, but let's put it this way: I guess my actions in the last game put an investigative target on my back, because I know three things to be factual:
1: Someone else did some kind of investigation of me last night
2: That that person was successful
3: That that person's name was not "Mr. Universe".

If Dio is telling the truth, then someone else would have had to have blocked him, because I was ripe for the investigating.


OK, this is interesting. Assuming you are telling the truth, is it not possible that one aspect of the successful investigator's powers is to block or otherwise impede any additional investigations or actions for the same Night? IE, that this player's role description might read something like: Once per Night, you may kidnap a player and thoroughly investigate them to find out X; while a player is in your custody, no additional Night actions may be performed on him or her.

Of course, there's also the possibility that you, yourself, are lying. If you are some sort of vanilla scum, you may feel it worth the risk to yourself to get us to lynch a useful investigative role.

And there's the possibility that Dio is lying, and there is no Mr. Universe to counterclaim or the real Mr. Universe has chosen not to counter.

That's the problem I'm having with this closed set-up - literally anything is possible.

Right now, for me, a vote would be a complete shot in the dark, based as it would be on a thousand questions. Absent counterclaims, I am not currently willing to vote for Mad, Diomedes, or Roosh, and pretty unlikely to vote for dnooman or dotchan (although if someone could present a case against the last of these that amounts to more than "her role name isn't in the Wiki," I suppose I could be persuaded to give her case more consideration.

Every time I try to re-read, I get a dozen or more new posts to consider by the time I finish. We must find a better approach toMorrow.

For now, though, I'd like to ask drainbead to kindly finish the thought she began at #1129, thusly:


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Fuck it. Here's my latest idea, but since my instincts are so awful I'm not going to act on it just yet--I'm going to throw it out there and see what everyone else thinks of it.

We are screwing ourselves by shifting the bandwagon from person to person as soon as we get a claim. Every role claim we get is one less person our power roles get to hide in, and Og forbid if we start bandwagoning on our cop or doc. We have had what, five role claims? Six? I've lost track at this point. I'm not sure how many scum to assume we have, but I'd imagine we're getting close to having the scum know the identities of half the players in the game.

Shit, my ride's here. TBC...
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« Reply #1189 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:54pm »
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Part 2: Characters in the firefly universe.

My basic assumption is that all the characters in the game can be found in the Firefly universe. NAF has more or less confirmed this by pointing out the wikipedia lists and in the general setup of the game.


Well, but NAF directly and explicity stated that "at least one" character included in the present game would not be found in the Wiki - when I read that, my first instinct was that they had made up a few characters for color purposes or for other reasons.

Given that NAF has denied your interpretation - "that all the characters in the game can be found in the Firefly universe." - how do you justify the following statement:


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dotchan claimed a name of "Ramiro", which cannot be found in the firefly canon character lists. So "Ramiro" is not a character in the game, so dotchan's character cannot be called Ramiro. Therefore dotchan is lying.


I believe the following sentence makes no sense.


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NAF said that not all the characters in the game would be on the lists. Well we have discovered two of them today, is there likely to be a character named in the game not on the lists?


Yes, there is likely to be a character named in the game not on the lists because NAF said not all the characters in the game would be on the list. This is like saying, "NAF said there would be apples at dinner. There appear to be two apples on the table. Are there likely to be apples at dinner?"

I'm not saying the players in question are not apples, just that there are likely to be apples, and voting for someone for no reason other than that they claim to be an apple makes so little sense that it makes me want to vote for you.
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« Reply #1190 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:54pm »
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See post 1134, story.
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« Reply #1191 on Sept 19, 2007, 10:55pm »
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Crap. The last sentence was supposed to be:

So, provisionally, I will:

vote CatinaSuit
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« Reply #1192 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:02pm »
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CatInASuit, I am not lying about my rolename. It is what it is.
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« Reply #1193 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:03pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 10:54pm, storyteller0910 wrote:

Yes, there is likely to be a character named in the game not on the lists because NAF said not all the characters in the game would be on the list.


No, what NAF said was

"I think almost all the characters we used in the creation of the game are listed in here (though a couple on the lists are not in the game, and there is at least one character that is in the game and not on the lists) but this should give all of you not familiar with the series a good starting point.
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The lists he is referring to are the Wikipedia lists, not the general lists of everyone known in the Firefly universe.

Currently with have 4 players who have said they are not on those wikipedia lists and one of those players who does not seem to exist in the theme of the game at all.
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« Reply #1194 on Sept 19, 2007, 11:12pm »
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Sept 19, 2007, 11:02pm, dotchan wrote:
CatInASuit, I am not lying about my rolename. It is what it is.


dotchan:
If I am wrong, then I offer my humble apologies. :-[

If I right, I will be doing the happy dance. ;D

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Votecount?
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Sept 19, 2007, 2:16pm, panamajack wrote:

As for diomedes, I'm not buying the role claim. Hal Briston's information is interesting as well. On the other hand, tomorrow we'll have a slightly better chance of verifying, so I'm not exactly sure we need to lynch him today, if there's a more likely candidate available.


Obviously a claim well before things start getting anywhere near hammering stages is required. mgtman came in and voted for me, without comment, well after my role claim. Hell, I think I've actually gone up on people's scumdar because of it.

And if you good folks do decide to lynch me today despite the fact that I've claimed a power role, whose abilities are uncounter-claimed, along with a name from the FF universe, which is uncounter-claimed.... well, I suppose I'll have no trouble sitting in the dead-thread and rooting for the baddies.
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Yesterday at 12:42am, Diomedes wrote:
Votecount?


Dude, there's one on this page, and there's been one unvote and two votes since then. Give the mods a break.


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dotchan (6): Roosh, CatInASuite, sinjin, Greedy Smurf, Diomedes, Cookies

CatInASuit (5): atarus, Yattara, Pygmy Rugger, Idle Thoughts, Spaceman BlaM

Diomedes (4): dotchan, Captain Klutz, panamajack, mtgman

Idle Thoughts (2): dnooman, zeriel

atarus (1): Mad The Swine
drainbead (1) FCoD
mtgman (1): diggitcamera
Pygmy Rugger (1): drainbead
tragic (1): hockeymonkey


Minus me, plus one each for dotchan and Cat.
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Yesterday at 12:48am, Rugger, Pygmy wrote:

Yesterday at 12:42am, Diomedes wrote:
Votecount?


Dude, there's one on this page, and there's been one unvote and two votes since then. Give the mods a break.



You're right. I flipped through and didn't see it. Sorry mods.
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« Reply #1199 on Yesterday at 12:59am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 2:16pm, panamajack wrote:

As for diomedes, I'm not buying the role claim. Hal Briston's information is interesting as well. On the other hand, tomorrow we'll have a slightly better chance of verifying, so I'm not exactly sure we need to lynch him today, if there's a more likely candidate available.


You're "not exactly sure we need to lynch him today?" What an odd choice of words. I can't figure out a single good reason why we would lynch a person who has claimed a power role, for which there has been no counter (either of the role or of the name). If he's lying, we will have plenty of opportunity to find out later in the game. If he's truthful, and we lynch him, we've lost an incredibly powerful role.

Suddenly I find my attention drawn to the four players who still have votes on Diomedes. What, precisely, is your justification for this? "I think he's lying" doesn't cut it, because unless you have more information then you're sharing, you don't know if he's lying, and the downside of lynching him if you're wrong is much larger than the upside of lynching him if you're right.
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