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« Reply #1110 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:38am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 1:30am, Yattara wrote:

I am intrigued by Cat's having been on all the bandwagons we've had so far. It could have been mere confusion, but also a scheming on the part of scum to get a townie lynched. Especially since all the proposed bandwagon-victims seem to have been cleared as Townies.


Bolding mine.

I wouldn't call it that. At least for me. Some of them haven't been cleared at all. They either just move down on my suspicion list a bit more than others already on it or those already on it rise higher than them.


Sept 19, 2007, 4:19am, Diomedes wrote:
Oh, I should add that I think we should take our current list, see which candidate can garner the most votes, and then just agree to lynch that person. It really feels like we only have about 20 of the 28 potential votes participating, so we almost certainly won't get a lynch without artificially manipulating the process. Shall we put tomorrow as a deadline, say 1800 board time(CST)?


And what if said person claims to be a Detective or Doctor role? "Ah well, just lynch 'em anyway!"
This is a bad idea, I feel. Yeah, I really want a lynch too because a no lynch doesn't give us any information at all one way or the other. But I wouldn't want to accidently bump off a pro-Town power role either.


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« Reply #1111 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:45am »
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We have approximately two days left, and eight vote-getters. I think the next 24 hours are critical.

20 of the 28 of us are voting. We NEED to hear from the remaining eight by this time tomorrow. That's gorram near a third of us, and it's going to be almost impossible to reach a majority without most of them at least hopping in to place a vote. By my count, those players are:
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The law of averages, BTW, says there's at least one scum on this list. I'd guess, given our abysmal rate of going after townies, that lurking is a very good place to hide at the moment.
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« Reply #1112 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:48am »
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By the way, by posting this list I'm not saying that we should be going after these people. We should be focusing on the people who are currently receiving votes. I just posted the non-voters to prod them, and I wanted that list so I can refer to it later if necessary to find potential lurking scum.
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« Reply #1113 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:49am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 5:07am, hockeymonkey wrote:
Ah, this is what I've been looking for:

From Night One

Sept 8, 2007, 5:39pm, Diomedes wrote:


I'm a little cornfused, as well. From the note about the game, however, it almost sounds like as if there are scum (in the form of Alliance spies), townies(passengers onn the shift), and then townie power roles (I'm guessing crewmembers, perhaps paassing shepherds or Cortesans, etc.), who may have a seperate win condition all to themselves. So... all the power roles become like the Non-Believers in Idle's game?


Diomedes calls the scum Alliance spies. Says the townies are passengers.

Any other crewpeople see anything wrong with this?

Vote Diomedes


Speaking only for myself and knowing what my own PM reads...I draw these conclusions:

1. First of all, he says from that note about the game. Seems to me he's talking about something he saw NAF write in the opening flavor and not referring to anything in his PM. Although he would have his PM by now and could be mixing the two in with each other..so on to conclusion two.

2. Rereading my PM, it COULD be read, understood, or even confusing in the fact that there may be "passengers" too. I no longer think this, but I can see how someone would think that wayyy back when it was Night One.

Anyway, I'm leaning more towards Dio being town. So I'm going to unvote Drain Bead for now and vote CatInASuit as he is also on the bottom of my suspicion/leaning more towards shady character list.
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« Reply #1114 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:55am »
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Just saw Dio's claim.

Is there a Mr Universe in the show? ??? Sounds like something Ah-nold would have won.
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« Reply #1115 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:58am »
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Just saw Dio's claim.

Is there a Mr Universe in the show? ??? Sounds like something Ah-nold would have won.


It was.
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« Reply #1116 on Sept 19, 2007, 5:59am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 5:55am, Idle Thoughts wrote:
Just saw Dio's claim.

Is there a Mr Universe in the show? ??? Sounds like something Ah-nold would have won.


Yes, there is a Mr Universe in the show. He appears in the Serenity movie and the power described is appropriate to the character.


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« Reply #1117 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:00am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 5:59am, CatInASuit wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 5:55am, Idle Thoughts wrote:
Just saw Dio's claim.

Is there a Mr Universe in the show? ??? Sounds like something Ah-nold would have won.


Yes, there is a Mr Universe in the show. He appears in the Serenity movie and the power described is appropriate to the character.




But he died in that movie. So, clearly, Dio's claim is bunk.
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« Reply #1118 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:01am »
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<sigh>

At the rate we're going, everyone is going to have claimed by Nightfall. That is problematic. The scum have got to be loving this.
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« Reply #1119 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:02am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 5:59am, CatInASuit wrote:


Yes, there is a Mr Universe in the show. He appears in the Serenity movie and the power described is appropriate to the character.




But he died in that movie. So, clearly, Dio's claim is bunk.


I'm assuming that's a joke I don't get?
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« Reply #1120 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:06am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:02am, drainbead wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 6:00am, diggitcamara wrote:


But he died in that movie. So, clearly, Dio's claim is bunk.


I'm assuming that's a joke I don't get?


*shrugs* I thought it was funny.
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« Reply #1121 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:15am »
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I gotta believe some of these claims are false..at least one of them.

From what I can tell all of these claims are part of the show..I think it is time for a counter if someone is holding back.
Remember just cause you are outed doesn't mean you die.I assume there is a protecting role of some sort.
So c'mon..if you are out there lets end this.
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« Reply #1122 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:16am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:06am, Rugger, Pygmy wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 6:02am, drainbead wrote:


I'm assuming that's a joke I don't get?


*shrugs* I thought it was funny.


I was just thinking that it was something that would be funnier (or, OTOH, make sense in confines of the game) if I'd seen the movie.
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« Reply #1123 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:17am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:15am, Mad The Swine wrote:
I gotta believe some of these claims are false..at least one of them.

From what I can tell all of these claims are part of the show..I think it is time for a counter if someone is holding back.
Remember just cause you are outed doesn't mean you die.I assume there is a protecting role of some sort.
So c'mon..if you are out there lets end this.


I agree with MadtheSwine (and I won't even take credit for his idea! ;)). The carousel of role claims is leading us nowhere good, and if someone is holding back on a counterclaim for one of the current claimants, now might be a good time to rethink your stance.

Of course, I'm mostly just saying that because I'm dreading starting the whole process again.
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« Reply #1124 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:23am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:01am, storyteller0910 wrote:
<sigh>

At the rate we're going, everyone is going to have claimed by Nightfall. That is problematic. The scum have got to be loving this.


Well personally, I reckon one of the scum have already claimed, and it looks like I will be doing the same shortly as well.

One thing, in other games, when someone claimed vanilla townie, they tended to get lynched regardless. And then the following day, see who cast votes for whom. My guess is that any real info is not going to come out until tomorrow morning with one lynch and probably multiple deaths overnight.

Just for note: Everyone who has roleclaimed has a character named after someone in the Firefly universe. Except for dotchan. Excuse me, but I will be drinking the WIFOM.

I think the reason why some people have not even voted is due to the sheer size of this first day and are nervous about getting it wrong.
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« Reply #1125 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:27am »
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I think this is an inevitable result of the combination of this particular game's closed setup, the absolute majority required to lynch and the general policy of "don't lynch potential town power roles." As soon as someone gets near lynching, they nameclaim. Unless it's totally implausible, the voters back off and look for other prey.

Sooner or later we have to decide to either lynch a claimed role or accept a no-lynch Today.

Yes Drainbead, I'm aware that I haven't voted. I wanted to give my eyes an hour's rest from the thread, as I hadn't reached post 800 yet.
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« Reply #1126 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:28am »
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(EBWOP : 1125 was a response to Storyteller's post 1123).
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« Reply #1127 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:41am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:15am, Mad The Swine wrote:
I gotta believe some of these claims are false..at least one of them.

From what I can tell all of these claims are part of the show..I think it is time for a counter if someone is holding back.
Remember just cause you are outed doesn't mean you die.I assume there is a protecting role of some sort.
So c'mon..if you are out there lets end this.


I definitely agree that someone with a claim is lying so far. We've gotten 5 claims so far, and it just seems unlikely that we haven't tread anywhere near a real scum.
I have a strong suspicion it must be one of the vanilla claims (dnooman and dotchan, right?) or Roosh. Roosh, only because I would have thought Inara would have a better and more appropriate power. (given the fact that my role matches up very closely to the character I've been given).

Honestly, I'd like to lynch one of the lurkers at this point, or one of the vanilla claimants. Then again, I don't have much in the way of reasoning for any given person. I'll leave my vote on Cat unless I see a power role claimed by him. If he's vanilla, I'm not changing my vote.
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« Reply #1128 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:43am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:00am, diggitcamara wrote:


But he died in that movie. So, clearly, Dio's claim is bunk.


You're not a nice person, you know that? :)
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« Reply #1129 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:44am »
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Fuck it. Here's my latest idea, but since my instincts are so awful I'm not going to act on it just yet--I'm going to throw it out there and see what everyone else thinks of it.

We are screwing ourselves by shifting the bandwagon from person to person as soon as we get a claim. Every role claim we get is one less person our power roles get to hide in, and Og forbid if we start bandwagoning on our cop or doc. We have had what, five role claims? Six? I've lost track at this point. I'm not sure how many scum to assume we have, but I'd imagine we're getting close to having the scum know the identities of half the players in the game.

Shit, my ride's here. TBC...
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« Reply #1130 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:49am »
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Honestly, I'd like to lynch one of the lurkers at this point, or one of the vanilla claimants. Then again, I don't have much in the way of reasoning for any given person. I'll leave my vote on Cat unless I see a power role claimed by him. If he's vanilla, I'm not changing my vote.


Let me get this straight. If I claim vanilla, you have no problem lynching me, but as dnooman and dotchan have claimed vanilla already their claim will be better than mine....

Well that's me stuffed then. :(
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« Reply #1131 on Sept 19, 2007, 6:53am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:44am, drainbead wrote:
Fuck it. Here's my latest idea, but since my instincts are so awful I'm not going to act on it just yet--I'm going to throw it out there and see what everyone else thinks of it.

We are screwing ourselves by shifting the bandwagon from person to person as soon as we get a claim. Every role claim we get is one less person our power roles get to hide in, and Og forbid if we start bandwagoning on our cop or doc. We have had what, five role claims? Six? I've lost track at this point. I'm not sure how many scum to assume we have, but I'd imagine we're getting close to having the scum know the identities of half the players in the game.

Shit, my ride's here. TBC...


Ta ma de!

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« Reply #1132 on Sept 19, 2007, 7:02am »
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Let me get this straight. If I claim vanilla, you have no problem lynching me, but as dnooman and dotchan have claimed vanilla already their claim will be better than mine....

Well that's me stuffed then. :(


Hey, listen, it's nothing personal. Both dnooman and dot's claims were backed up by linguistic interpretations based on their initial role PMing. I'm not putting them on any sort of 'cleared townie' list, either. It just seems more likely. At this point, I think I could reasonably reconstruct, word-for-word, what the vanilla PM would be, so certainly any scum could as well. That bit of meta-gaming has worn out its usefulness.

As far as name-claiming for vanilla... well, that might work, if we went back to RooshPlan 2: Save the Roosh! But I don't know if we could get the entire company onboard for it.
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« Reply #1133 on Sept 19, 2007, 7:07am »
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Og forbid if we start bandwagoning on our cop or doc.


Umm... ::raises hand:: We might have already done so.

I hope there's another, more traditional cop role out there, but there might not have been (q.v., Treasure Island Mafia... wasn't Mad's role a watcher role... and the only cop role in the game?)
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« Reply #1134 on Sept 19, 2007, 7:25am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 7:07am, Diomedes wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 6:44am, drainbead wrote:

Og forbid if we start bandwagoning on our cop or doc.


Umm... ::raises hand:: We might have already done so.

I hope there's another, more traditional cop role out there, but there might not have been (q.v., Treasure Island Mafia... wasn't Mad's role a watcher role... and the only cop role in the game?)


I was actually going to put something like that in my post, Dio, and then didn't. Your role is pretty gorram close to our cop. Oh, and I'm sorry.

To sum up where I was going with my interrupted post, I'm beginning to think that Cat has it right. If we're to believe that one of our claimants is probably scum, I'd say it's most likely dotchan. Both dot and zuma made odd slips, the claim is unverifiable due to the character not being in the show or movie, and the "exoneration" post could be explained by the fact that dotchan picked up on the terminology used by our first vanilla crew claim and mirrored it, hoping it stuck.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I hate jumping my vote around so much, but I'm beginning to think that dotchan is our best choice. I'm not switching my vote until I get my theory tested, because I don't trust myself anymore.
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« Reply #1135 on Sept 19, 2007, 7:50am »
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To sum up where I was going with my interrupted post, I'm beginning to think that Cat has it right. If we're to believe that one of our claimants is probably scum, I'd say it's most likely dotchan. Both dot and zuma made odd slips, the claim is unverifiable due to the character not being in the show or movie, and the "exoneration" post could be explained by the fact that dotchan picked up on the terminology used by our first vanilla crew claim and mirrored it, hoping it stuck.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I hate jumping my vote around so much, but I'm beginning to think that dotchan is our best choice. I'm not switching my vote until I get my theory tested, because I don't trust myself anymore.


I think the zuma curiosity is pretty easy to explain: he picked up on clues that Mad and I weren't vanilla townies. Heck, he said as much: he'd either outed scum or power roles. As it turned out, he outed power roles (given that Mad's claim is true... I'm content with it for now).
Now going back and thinking about it, I suppose dot could have picked up on the earlier nameclaim. I suppose I like the idea of voting for an unusual name more than I like the idea of voting for whoever random.org tells me to. At this point, I'd be fine with lynching pretty much anyone who's an unknown.

unvote: Cat
revote: dot

To all you scum out there laughing at us: screw you guys. Screw you guys right in the pooper.
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« Reply #1136 on Sept 19, 2007, 8:45am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 6:23am, CatInASuit wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 6:01am, storyteller0910 wrote:
<sigh>

At the rate we're going, everyone is going to have claimed by Nightfall. That is problematic. The scum have got to be loving this.


Well personally, I reckon one of the scum have already claimed, and it looks like I will be doing the same shortly as well.

One thing, in other games, when someone claimed vanilla townie, they tended to get lynched regardless. And then the following day, see who cast votes for whom. My guess is that any real info is not going to come out until tomorrow morning with one lynch and probably multiple deaths overnight.

Just for note: Everyone who has roleclaimed has a character named after someone in the Firefly universe. Except for dotchan. Excuse me, but I will be drinking the WIFOM.

I think the reason why some people have not even voted is due to the sheer size of this first day and are nervous about getting it wrong.


But NAF has said there is at least one character in the game who isn't on the list of 30 + odd characters from the show.

I don't like dotchan for town any more than you apparently do, but it's something to consider.


Sept 19, 2007, 6:44am, drainbead wrote:
Fuck it. Here's my latest idea, but since my instincts are so awful I'm not going to act on it just yet--I'm going to throw it out there and see what everyone else thinks of it.

We are screwing ourselves by shifting the bandwagon from person to person as soon as we get a claim. Every role claim we get is one less person our power roles get to hide in, and Og forbid if we start bandwagoning on our cop or doc.


Snipped.

Am I missing something? I thought Dio was the cop? He's at least a cop-like role.


Sept 19, 2007, 6:49am, CatInASuit wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 6:41am, Diomedes wrote:
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Honestly, I'd like to lynch one of the lurkers at this point, or one of the vanilla claimants. Then again, I don't have much in the way of reasoning for any given person. I'll leave my vote on Cat unless I see a power role claimed by him. If he's vanilla, I'm not changing my vote.


Let me get this straight. If I claim vanilla, you have no problem lynching me, but as dnooman and dotchan have claimed vanilla already their claim will be better than mine....

Well that's me stuffed then. :(


But see, dnooman had the advantage of being on the first to allude (albeit accidentally) to his win condition/alignment. So yes, do think his claim holds more water than any "vanilla" claim that comes after it.
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« Reply #1137 on Sept 19, 2007, 8:48am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 7:25am, drainbead wrote:

Sept 19, 2007, 7:07am, Diomedes wrote:


Umm... ::raises hand:: We might have already done so.

I hope there's another, more traditional cop role out there, but there might not have been (q.v., Treasure Island Mafia... wasn't Mad's role a watcher role... and the only cop role in the game?)


I was actually going to put something like that in my post, Dio, and then didn't. Your role is pretty gorram close to our cop. Oh, and I'm sorry.


And I see here you do it yet again. That's like, three times now when you fail to mention an important point until someone points it out to you (or you suddenly remember you left it out yourself) and reply back with "Oh yeah...this too".

I don't think dot is our best choice anymore. I think you and/or Cat are.
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« Reply #1138 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:08am »
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This whole Day so far has been a massive clusterfuck, if all the roleclaims are true, we have discovered little information of real use to the town, and instead given the scum 2 power roles, and 3(? I've lost count) confirmed townies, which has narrowed down the field for them hunting further town power roles. Here's hoping there is a doc in the game to look after Mr Universe.

The only upside atm is that because of the themed nature of the game a name-claim (lacking counterclaims) seems to be enough to confirm your townieness, and if a scum falsely claims a name, I believe it is quite likely to produce a counter claim. However the only name claims we've seen so far are characters which are fairly well established in the FF universe as being "good guys" or at least not out and out "bad guys". (Excluding of course Dotchan's John Smith)

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« Reply #1139 on Sept 19, 2007, 9:10am »
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Sept 19, 2007, 5:49am, Idle Thoughts wrote:
Anyway, I'm leaning more towards Dio being town. So I'm going to unvote Drain Bead for now and vote CatInASuit as he is also on the bottom of my suspicion/leaning more towards shady character list.


Wait, Idle, are you voting for people you're less suspicious towards? This makes no sense.
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