pages 1-9 pages in ANCIENT ANCESTORS
“Bernard of Chartres (d ca 1130) used to say that we are like dwarfs on the shoulders of giants, so that we can see more than they, and things at a greater distance, not by any sharpness of sight on our part, or any physical distinction, but because we are carried high and raised up by their giant size.”
John of Salisbury, 1159, who witnessed Thomas à Becket’s murder
As this study progressed it became clear that a fully referenced text would cover several thousand pages and thus have a very limited circulation. The choice was therefore made to provide instead a select bibliography of the most useful and readily available texts in which references can be found to the primary information sources and which may help to connect recent genealogies with the more ancient ancestries listed in the following pages.
While it may now be difficult to extend this network of recorded ancient and medieval family inter-relationships much further backwards, it is quite easy to trace forward most of the families listed in bold capital underlined format (e.g. ABERNETHY - Barons Saltoun) to many of their present day descendants. The author hopes that some will use their personal copies in this way, adding to the printed pages not only such extended entries but also their historical notes, critical commentaries and alternative conclusions. Time and again such hand-written notations in pre-loved second-hand books and occasionally even in library copies have opened up new lines of enquiry in compiling the present work.
The destruction of many British monastic and other religious records stemming from the marital and associated problems of King Henry VIII now makes it difficult for most British family history studies to get back past the late sixteenth century unless they encounter forebears who were substantial landowners or members of the peerage. This has the paradoxical effect that many who can trace even one or more of their British ancestors back to the mid-sixteenth century may then find it relatively easy to discover many lines of putative ancestry extending back another thousand or more years, and probably including many of the earliest ancestral families to be found in this book.
Some major genealogical compilations, such as those of Stokvis (1888-93), Stuart (1992) and Wagner (1975) have been presented as lines of putative direct descent, making it difficult to reassemble the whole family groupings. There has also been a tendency in historical records to whitewash the disreputable affairs of contemporary and powerful local families who might otherwise have forcibly objected, and to this was added a wholesale Bowdlerising of the historical record in many major nineteenth century British and American publications. The present compilation however has no such inhibitions and includes, particularly in the post-Norman conquest families, many off-line siblings, husbands, wives and other lovers who intimately shared the main line ancestors’ ups and downs and who in many cases have also left present day albeit sometimes illegitimate descendants.
The primary records currently available for ancient and early medieval genealogy present many problems for researchers, including their rarity and difficulty of access, the languages in which they were first written requiring highly expert interpretation, the original recording in some cases of events long after they had occurred with reliance upon the transmission of unreliable memorised information, and the ready acceptance by some ancient authors of what in the light of modern and more sceptical historicity may now be regarded as myths. For example, we would now question the parenting of humans by gods or bears, the deaths of sons a century or more after deaths of their fathers, and very long lines of direct father to eldest son transmission of titles or ownership of estates. And however much genealogists would like to ignore it there must always be some doubt about recorded paternity in the pre-DNA era because women, like hen hedge sparrows, have not always been faithful to their husbands. Nevertheless, while some ancient and medieval genealogy remains highly contentious and is still being raked over in the specialist journals, there remains much ancient family history we can readily accept.
“If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants.”
Sir Isaac Newton, 1676. (Could he have read John of Salisbury?)
Part II – HINTS on USAGE
As a companion to studies in history
Texts on ancient and medieval European history tend to refer to individuals who were important in shaping events, while giving minimal if any information on their spouses and others with whom they lived, made love and died. Some of these texts do include a few schematic family trees, almost invariably with simplified formats. The information that can be incorporated in such two-dimensional graphical stemmata is necessarily very restricted and can only rarely convey the complexity of these family inter-relationships.
The secondary title of the present compilation, A Companion to Studies in European History and Genealogy, indicates how it can be used as a ready reference to flesh out these family details of broader historical interest.
Making connections with ancient and medieval ancestors
Of course this is dead easy for those who already have so-called “proven” lines of descent from King CHARLES II of Britain or most of the earlier notable individuals listed in BOLD CAPITALS in Part III of this book; they can simply follow the family relationships shown in Part III to extend their ancestral lines back a thousand years or more. However for most of us plebes the tracks backwards to such auspicious ancestors often peter out before such patrician connections with the medieval period can be established. Those who have studied their European family histories with the help of their local and national genealogical societies, the Church of Latter Day Saints Family History Centres, public libraries, the internet and other genealogical advisory services will know that baptismal and marriage records were very incomplete prior to national registrations of birth, marriages and deaths, and few such enquirers can now trace their families in this retrospective way back beyond the 17th century unless they find ancestors who were members of the European nobility or other large landholders.
Ancient Ancestors starts in a different way, identifying as many as possible of the prominent ancient and early medieval Europeans who have putative present day descendants, and then tracing their lineages forward to points where other readily available standard and traditional reference systems can be used, first to narrow and sometimes then to close the gap between the prospective and retrospective studies. The first step is simply to consult the index in Part V and if any of the family names sought appear there they can be found in Part III and then usually may be followed forward by reference to such standard texts such as those listed in Part IV. To make connections between these later families and their earliest known ancestors in Part III it is often easiest to work from both ends; for example to follow the Merovingian dynasty forward from the 5th century CE and the later families backwards from recent times until some names are found in common.
It should be noted that many of the individuals listed in lower-case unbold type also have present day descendants though not confirmed and listed in this compilation.
For those of British descent whose family names do not appear in the Part V index, a particularly useful source may be “The Norman People” (see Part IV). This will often give connections between current family names and precursors listed under other families or different spellings in Ancient Ancestors.
In progressively attempting to close the gaps between medieval families and their possible modern day descendants, special attention should be given to location of domicile, the ownership or tenancy of land, and wills for the distribution of property after death. Such information is often much easier to track down by prospective than by retrospective studies.
Part III - ANCESTRAL FAMILIES and INTER-RELATIONSHIPS
The following abbreviations and printing conventions are used in this Part. Except where otherwise noted, all the individuals shown in BOLD CAPITALS are thought to have present day descendants; b = born; d = died; jure uxoris = acquired in right of his wife (although in some cases the title had to be confirmed by the relevant monarch); dsp = decessit sine prole (died childless): dvp = decessit vita patris (died during lifetime of father); ca = at about the time; m = married; dau = daughter; a date such as (1302-1325) = period of rule or exercise of a title; text in italics = notes about uncertainties in families’ structures.
In some families the correct orders of children’s births have not been determined with certainty, and in many of the families only those children with listed descendants are shown. It should be noted that the dates given by different authoritative sources for medieval births, marriages, deaths and the holdings of particular titles sometimes varied by a year or more. In some cases this was due to the common use of dates based on regnal rather than calendar years.
There were often several different spellings for specific names of people and places, and in addition an individual might be known under different given names. Thus in medieval times the first or given names of men and women were sometimes changed during life, commonly for example from Margaret to Maud; and children sometimes acquired new family names, not only through marriage, but also patronimically or perhaps reflecting their physical and behavioural characteristics, their titles, their occupations, or places where they were born or their parents had land. Thus it may sometimes be difficult at first glance to recognise that two or more apparently different names may refer to a single individual. This compilation has not attempted to force any spurious uniformity for names and follows the often variable spellings given in the primary and secondary sources consulted.
AACHEN - Comtes
ARNOUL III, Comte de Chaumontois, d 820, (see under Chaumontois for ancestors)
son, Comte de Saônnois
VOIRY
VOIRY (WIGERIC), Comte Palatine d’Aachen & Comte d’Ardennes & Comte Palatine d’Aix-la-Chapelle, Count of Triesgau & Ardennesgau, 2ndly m KUNIGUNDE, dau of ERMENTRUDE dau of King LOUIS II “the Stammerer” (see under Carolingian dynasty for ancestors)
SIEGFRIED, Comte de Luxemburg & Moselgau (see under Luxemburg for descendants)
FREDERICK I, Comte de Bar & Duc de Lorraine (see under Lorraine for descendants)
Adalberon, Bishop of Metz, d 964
LUITGARD, m EBERHARD III, Count of Lahngau (see under Lahngau for descendants)
GOZELIN, Count of Bidgau (see under Bidgau for descendants)
ABERNETHY - Barons Saltoun
EDELRAD, Earl of Fife & Abbot of Dunkeld, son of King MALCOLM III (see under Scotland, Kings, for ancestors)
GILLEMICHEL MacDUFF
GILLEMICHEL MacDUFF, Earl of Fife, d ca 1133-6
EOGHIN (HUGH)
EOGHIN (HUGH), Abbot of Abernethy
ORM
ORM, had a charter as Feudal Abbot and Lord of Abernethy 1172/3 XE "Abernethy - Lords of"
LAURENCE
LAURENCE, hereditary Abbot of Abernethy, m DEVORGULLE
Patrick
HUGH ABERNETHY of that Ilk, d ca 1292, m as 3rd husband of MARY, dau of EWEN of Argyle and widow 1stly of MAGNUS, King of the Isle of Man and 2ndly of MALISE, 5th Earl of Strathearn (she 4thly m as 2nd wife of William FitzWarin)
ALEXANDER ABERNETHY of that Ilk, d 1315-17
MARGARET, m JOHN STEWART, 1st Earl of Angus
MARY, 1stly m in 1313 Sir ANDREW de LESLIE (see under Leslie for descendants); she 2ndly m Sir DAVID de LINDSAY of Crawford (see under Lindsay
for descendants)
WILLIAM
WILLIAM ABERNETHY, 1st Laird of Saltoun, d by 1290, m MARGARET
WILLIAM
WILLIAM ABERNETHY, 2nd Laird of Saltoun
WILLIAM
WILLIAM ABERNETHY, 3rd Laird of Saltoun, killed at Battle of Halidon Hill 1333
son 1
GEORGE
GEORGE ABERNETHY, 4th Laird of Saltoun, m ALICIA WISHART
GEORGE ABERNETHY, 5th Laird of Saltoun, killed at Battle of Otterburn 1388
WILLIAM
WILLIAM ABERNETHY, 6th Laird of Saltoun, d 1420, m 2nd dau of ROBERT STEWART,1st Duke of Albany (see under Fife, Earls, for ancestors)
WILLIAM
WILLIAM ABERNETHY, killed 1411 at Battle of Harlaw, m MARGARET, dau of Sir WILLIAM BORTHWICK (see under Borthwick for ancestors)
William, 7th Laird of Saltoun, dsp
LAURENCE
LAURENCE ABERNETHY, d 1460/1, 1445 created 1st Lord Saltoun of Abernethy, m MARGARET
William, 2nd Lord Saltoun, killed 1488, 1stly m anon
dau 1, m Walter Ogston of that Ilk
Christian, m Sir John Wemyss of that Ilk
William, 2ndly m Isabella Borthwick
JAMES
George
Archibald
+ 2 daus
JAMES ABERNETHY, 3rd Lord Saltoun, d 1504/5,
ALEXANDER, ancestor of subsequent Lords Saltoun
Margaret, m James Stirling of Craigbernard
JANET, m ALEXANDER OGILVY of Deskford and Findlater (see under Ogilvy for descendants)
Elizabeth, m Alexander Hay of Delgaty and Ardendraught
Helen, m Thomas Urquhart of Fischerie
ABRINCIS - Earls of Chester
RICHARD (Goz) d’AVRANCHES, (see under Avranches for ancestors) m EMMA de CONTEVILLE, half-sister of King WILLIAM I (see under Conteville for ancestors)
HUGH d’AVRANCHES
MAUD (Margaret), co-heir of her brother, m RANULPH Vicomte de Bayeux
RALPH de MESCHINES (see under Meschines for descendants)
Helisende who was 2nd wife of WILLIAM, Comte d’EU
JUDITH, m RICHARD de l’Aigle (see under L'Aigle for descendants)
GEVA, m GEOFFREY RIDEL, drowned in the White Ship disaster 1120, Lord of Witheringe, a Baron of the Exchequer under King HENRY I, (see under Ridel for
descendants)
HUGH d’AVRANCHES, “le Gros”(became so fat he could barely crawl), (or “Lupus” for his voracity), a companion of the Conqueror, d 1101, made Earl of Chester following the detention and death in 1071 of the 1st Earl Gherbod, a Fleming from the Abbey of St. Bertin XE "Companions of William the Conqueror" , m ERMENTRUDE, dau of HUGUES, Comte de Clermont, Comte de Bevois (see under Clermont for ancestors)
Richard de Abrincis, his only legitimate son, succeeded to Earldom of Chester at age of 8. He m Maud, dau of STEPHEN, Comte de Blois by ADELA, dau of WILLIAM
the Conqueror.
Richard d in the White Ship disaster having no sons, but a dau m William FitzOsborne (see under Tyson for ancestors) and the title passed to RALPH de MESCHINES
MAUD, m HAROLD de EWYAS, son of RALPH, Earl of Hereford (see under Ewyas for descendants)
HUGH also had illegitimate children
OTTIWELL (OTUEL), tutor to the children of King HENRY I, died in the White Ship disaster, m as 2nd husband of MARGARET, only dau and heiress of EUDO de
RIE, Daptifer of Colchester,, a companion of the Conqueror, (see under Rie for ancestors)
William
Robert, Abbot of Bury St. Edmunds
WILLIAM de ABRINCIS
WILLIAM de ABRINCIS
LUCIA, m as 2nd husband of AUBREY de VERE, Earl of Ghisnes and 1st Earl of Oxford (see under Vere for descendants)
AGILOLFING DYNASTY
THEODON I, lived between 420-511, Duke of Lower Bavaria
THEODON II, Duke of Lower Bavaria, d 537
Theodon III, Duke of Lower Bavaria, d 565
THEOBALDO I, Duke of Lower Bavaria, d 567
THEODEBERT, Duke of Lower Bavaria, d 584
……………………………………………………………………………………………..
AGILULF, the Bavarian, b 470, m in 490 a sister of CHILDERIC (CLODERIC), King of the Franks (see under Merovingian dynasty for ancestors)
GARIBALDO I
GARIBALDO I, Duke of Bavaria (560-90), m WALDERADA, dau of WACHO, King of the Lombards (see under Lombards for ancestors)
THEODELINDA, Queen of the Lombards (see under Lombards for descendants)
TASSILO I, Duke of Bavaria (590-610)
GARIBALDO II, Duke of Bavaria (610-40)
AGUILLON
ROBERT AGUILLON, m AGATHA dau of FULK de BEAUFFOU of Norfolk
JOAN, m RALPH FitzBERNARD (see under FitzBernard for descendants)
AILECH - Kings (See mainly under O’Neill)
AINCOURT (See under Deincourt)
ALAMANS - Dukes
GODFRED, Duke of the Alamans, d 660
THEUTBOLD
THEUTBOLD, d 710
NEBI
NEBI, d 724
EMMA, d 798, m GEROLD of Calw (see under Calw for descendants), son of ERLAFRIED I, parents of HILDEGARDE who m as 2nd wife of
CHARLEMAGNE (see under Carolingian dynasty for descendants)
ALBERMARLE - Earls (See also under Fortibus)
ALBINI (d'AUBIGNY) - Earls of Arundel
ROGER de St. Sauveur (see under St. Sauveur for ancestors)
NIEL II
NIEL II de St. Sauveur, d 1045
NIEL III
RICHARD de St. Sauveur (see under La Haie for descendants)
NIEL III de St. Sauveur, m ADELA dau of GEOFFREY d’Eu (see under Eu for ancestors)
GUILLAUME (WILLIAM) d’ALBINI
dau, m WILLIAM FREHELANDUS (see under Ridel for descendants)
GUILLAUME (WILLIAM) d’ALBINI accompanied the Conqueror to England, Butler to the King, m dau of GRIMOLT de Plessis (Plessetis)
ROGER de ALBINI
OLIVIA, m RALPH de la HAYE (see under La Haie for descendants)
Nigil, Lord of Cainhoe
Richard, Abbot of St Albans 1097-1119
ROGER de ALBINI, d 1138, m AVICIA de Mowbray, dau of Seigneur de Mowbray and sister of Robert de Mowbray, Earl of Northumberland (see under Mowbray for ancestors)
WILLIAM de ALBINI
Nigil de Albini, d 1129, m MATILDA de l’AIGLE widow of ROBERT MOWBRAY (see under L'Aigle for her ancestors and under Mowbray for her descendants)
Oliver
WILLIAM de ALBINI, surnamed Pincerna, d 1139, m MAUD (MATILDA), dau of ROGER BIGOD (see under Bigod for ancestors)
WILLIAM de ALBINI
Nigel
Oliver
OLIVA, m RALPHE de HAYE, a feudal baron of great power (see under La Haie for descendants)
Adelise, m Jean, Comte d’Eu, Lord of Hastings
WILLIAM de ALBINI, d 1176, made Earl of Arundel 1141 in recognition of his glorious exploit when set up against a tiger by Queen ELEANOR (d’Aquitaine) of France (who later m King HENRY II of England). He m in 1136 Queen ADELIZA, widow of King HENRY I, dau of GODFREY, Duke of Lower Lorraine (see under Lower Lorraine, Dukes, for ancestors)
WILLIAM de ALBINI, 2nd Earl
Ralph (Reyner) Aubigny, m as 3rd husband of SIBYL de VALOGNES, widow of ROBERT de ROS and WILLIAM de PERCY
Henry
Godfrey
AGNES (ALICE), m WILLIAM de MOWBRAY (see under Mowbray for descendants)
Olivia
Agatha
WILLIAM de ALBINI, 2nd Earl, d 1193, also given Earldom of Sussex by King HENRY II, m MABILL, dau of HUGH de MESCHINES, 3rd Earl of Chester (see under Meschines for ancestors)
WILLIAM de ALBINI
WILLIAM de ALBINI, 3rd Earl, one of the Barons named in the Magna Carta, d 1221 on Crusade, m MAUD, dau and heiress of JAMES de St. HILLARY and widow of Roger de Clare, Earl of Hertford (see under St. Hillary for ancestors)
William, Lord of Belvoir Castle, his successor and a guarantor of the Magna Carta, dsp 1224
Hugh, succeeded his brother, m Isabel, dau of WILLIAM de WARRENNE, but dsp 1243
Mabel, m Sir Robert de Tateschal
ISABEL, m 1stly JOHN FITZ-ALAN, Baron of Clun and Oswestry (see under FitzAlans for descendants); and then m 2ndly ROBERT de ROS (see under Ros for
descendants)
NICOLA, m ROGER de SOMERIE (see under Somerie for descendants)
Cecilia, m Roger de Montalt
ALBON - Comtes
ROSTAING I, Seigneur in the southern Viennois, b ca 800, d 844, m SUFFICIA
ROSTAING IIxe "Annonay - Seigneurs"
ROSTAING II, Seigneur d’Annonay, b ca 838, m BERTHILDE
GUIGO I
GUIGO I, Seigneur d’Annonay, d 940, m GALMODA
GUIGO II
GUIGO II, Seigneur de Vion, b 885/95, d ca 960, m 1stly WANDELMODIS, dau of HUMBERT I, Seigneur de Salins (see under Salins for ancestors)
GUIGO IIIxe "Vion - Seigneurs"
GUIGO III, Seigneur de Vion, d 996, m FREDEBURGA, dau of RICHARD, Prince of Provence (see under Vienne for ancestors)
GUIGO IV
GUIGO IV, Comte d’Albon, d 1030, m GOTHELINE, dau of SILVION, Seigneur de Clerieu and his wife WILLA
GUIGO V
GUIGO V “le Vieil”, Comte d’Albon & Grenoble, d 1063, m as 1st husband of ADELAIDE, dau of OTTO, Comte de Maurienne (see under Savoie and Maurienne for ancestors)
GUIGO VI
Humbert
GUIGO VI, “le Gros”, Comte d’Albon & Grenoble, m in 1050 PETRONILLE of Turin, dau of ARTAUD, Seigneur d’Annonay and his wife PETRONILLE of Grenoble
GUIGO VII
GUIGO VI 2ndly m Agnes, dau of RAMÓN BERENGER I, Conde de Barcelona
GUIGO VII, Comte d’Albon & Grenoble, d 1125, m 2ndly MATILDE, dau of EADGAR “the Exile” (see under England, Kings, for ancestors)
GUIGO VIII
MATILDA, m AMADEO III, Comte de Maurienne (see under Savoie for descendants)
GERSENDE, m GUILLAUME III, Comte de Forcalquier (see under Forcalquier for descendants)
GUIGO VIII, Comte d’Albon, d 1147, m MARGUERITE, dau of ÉTIENNE I, Comte de Mâcon (see under Mâcon for ancestors)
GUIGO IX, 1st Comte de Viennois (see under Viennois for descendants)
ALBRET - Seigneurs & Ducs
XIMENÈS, Seigneur d’Albret, d 830
IÑIGO, Seigneur d’Albret, d 868
GARCÍAS, Seigneur d’Albret, d 888
VEREMOND, Seigneur d’Albret, d 900
AZENAIRE, Seigneur d’Albret, d 955
FORTUN, Seigneur d’Albret, d 985
BÉRARD, Seigneur d’Albret, d 995
Guitard, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1003
Arnaud, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1055
AMANIEU I, Seigneur d’Albret
AMANIEU I, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1060
AMANIEU II, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1100
AMANIEU III, Seigneur d’Albret
BERNARD, Seigneur d’Albret
AMANIEU IV, Seigneur d’Albret
AMANIEU V, Seigneur d’Albret, d ca 1255
AMANIEU VI
AMANIEU VI, Seigneur d’Albret
Bernard-Ezi I, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1281
Mathe, Seigneur d’Albret, d ca 1295
Isabelle, Madame d’Albret, d 1298
AMANIEU VII, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1324
BERNARD-EZI II, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1358
ARNAUD, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1401
CHARLES I, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1415
CHARLES II, Seigneur d’Albret, d 1471
JEAN
ALAIN
Gilles, Seigneur de Castelmoron
Arnaud-Amanieu, Seigneur d’Orval
ALAIN “le Grand”, Seigneur d’Albret, Comte de Limoges, d 1522, m FRANÇOISE de Limoges
JEAN d’Albret, Comte de Foix, King of Navarre (1483-1516), m CATHERINE of Navarre (see under Navarre for ancestors)
HENRI I, Duc d’Albret, Comte d’Armagnac, King of Navarre (see under Navarre for descendants)
ALENÇON and PONTHIEU - Seigneurs, Comtes, Ducs
FULK, Comte de Corbonais, m ROLAIS
IVRES I de Bellême, m GODCHILDE
GUILLAUME I
GUILLAUME I, 1st Comte d’Alençon, m MAUD
GUILLAUME II
WARINE d’Alençon, m MELESINDE dau of GEOFFROY II de Dunois and had a son
GEOFFROY I, Vicomte de Châteaudun (see under Châteaudun for descendants)
GUILLAUME II, 2nd Comte d’Alençon, d 1048, m HILDEBURGE, dau of ARNOUL
MABEL, m ROGER de MONTGOMERY, Earl of Shrewsbury and Arundel (see under Montgomery and Ponthieu for descendants)
..........................................................................................................................................................................
ANGILBERT, d 814, m BERTHA, dau of CHARLEMAGNE (see under Carolingian dynasty for ancestors)
NITHARD “the Chronicler”, d 853
NITHARD “the Chronicler”
HELIGAUD I
HELIGAUD I, d ca 866
HERLOUIN I
HERLOUIN I, d 878
HELIGAUD II
HELIGAUD II, Comte de Montreuil, d 926
HERLOUIN II
HERLOUIN II, Comte de Ponthieu & Amiens, killed 945
ROGER
ROGER, d 957
GUILLAUME I
HUGUES, d 961 (see under Ponthieu for descendants)
GUILLAUME I, d 965
HILDOUIN
ERNICULE, Comte de Boulogne (see under Boulogne for descendants)
HILDOUIN
HUGUES I
HUGUES I, Comte de Ponthieu, m GISELE, dau of HUGH CAPET (see under France, Capetian dynasty, for ancestors)
ENGUERRAND I, Comte de Ponthieu, d 1046, m ADÉLE of HOLLAND
Enguerrand II, Comte de Ponthieu, m ADELAIDE, dau of Duke ROBERT I of Normandy
HUGUES II, Comte de Ponthieu, d 1052, m BERTA d’Aumâle (see under Aumâle for ancestors)
GUY I
GUY I, Comte de Ponthieu, d 1101, m ADA
AGNES de PONTHIEU, m ROBERT II de Bellême, Earl of Shrewsbury, Comte d’Alençon (see under Bellême and Montgomery for descendants)
GUILLAUME III
GUILLAUME III, Comte d’Alençon & Ponthieu, d 1192, m ALICE of Bourgogne, dau of EUDES I of Bourgogne (see under Bourgogne for ancestors) and MAUD de Bourge (see under Rethel for ancestors)
MARIE, Comtesse de Ponthieu, m SIMON de DAMMARTIN. Their dau JOANNE de Dammartin (see under Dammartin for ancestors) m King FERNANDO III
of Castile under Spain, Kings for descendants)
GUY II
CLEMENCE m JUHEL II de Mayenne (see under Mayenne for descendants)
ELA, m 1stly WILLIAM de WARRENNE (see under Warrenne for descendants). She 2ndly m PATRICK D’ÉVEREUX, 2nd Earl of Salisbury (see under D’Évereux
for descendants and for further info on ELA)
_______________________________________________________________________________