The reality we manage to get into our heads is largely that reality which is abstracted through our symbol systems.


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Sun 20 June

Logical Fate and our Premises

A discussion facilitated by Pauline on finding our P1s (irrational beliefs)
and turning them into P2s (rational beliefs). And hence increasing our rational behaviour!
She introduced it via exercises and discussion, with a more therapeutic focus.
This was to be not so much a presentation, so we expected to participate even more than usual!

Led by Pauline


1. Catching Up & Introductions
2. GS Diary Reports - "Our GS Experiences"
3. “Logical Fate and our premises” – Presented and facilitated by Pauline
4. AGS Business
5. Close.

1. Catching-up

We “always” allow a little time for review of our lives and activities.

2. GS Diary Reports - "Our GS Experiences"

Some of us experienced events in the month past, which demonstrated the value, and perhaps some limitations, in the applications of GS principles. Sharing of these is a valuable part of our time together.

3. “Logical Fate and our Premises" - Presented and facilitated by Pauline

a. We looked at the P1-T1 diagram -

Considering how our theories (and thus behaviour) stem from premises that we may not be (fully?) aware of. Behaviour can be modified directly, eg by strength of will or other coercive means, but this often results in only superficial behaviour change. We often see this, for example, in our attempts to lose weight, stop smoking, avoid losing our temper, etc.

Real and enduring behavioural reform is likely only when we examine and challenge our underlying premises (or assumptions).

The theme of today's discussions relates to the notion that, given a certain set of assumptions, certain consequences will logically follow.

We agonised a little over the value of distinguishing between "assumptions" and "premises", and decided that for most purposes, the commonly-understood word "assumptions" will do.

Here are a couple of instances of the P1-T1 model:

The P1T1 model is described and examined in detail in Bob Blake's book "The Managerial Grid".

We considered some P1T1 issues in our own experience, and the various outcomes from applying that model.

b. The ABCDE model -

Activating event
Dispute the (possibly irrational) belief

c. Rational Emotive Therapy (RET) Insights -

See the reality ("I have a poblem")

Re-indoctrination ("State what you know")

Convince myself ("I want to get rid of these beliefs and behaviours")

d. Neuro-Linguistic programming (NLP) Model - "Elicitation of the Time-Line" -

1. Maintain the relationship with the unconscious mind, so as to discover the unconscious storage and organisation.

2. Testing the elicitation

3. Think of a question that will cause me to make great change ...

4. Keys to achieve an achievable outcome

5. Discovering root causes

6. Managing negative emotions

7. Things to check in using the time-line

8. Parts Reframes - Releasing negative emotions

9. Managing anxiety

10. Limiting decision - Relationship to emotions

11. Changing time-line location

12. "Through Time" time lines and "In-Time" time lines.

13. Creating our futures.

14. SMART goals:

Specific / Simple
Measurable / Meaningful (to you)
Achievable / All areas of your life
Realistic / Responsible / Ecological
Timed / Toward what you want

15. Steps for putting a single goal in our future:

  • Be sure that the goal is stated so that it is S.M.A.R.T.
  • Get the last step:
    - "What is the last thing that has to happen so that you know that you have got it?"
  • Make a pitcure, an auditory or kinesthetic representation,
  • Step into the picture - associate!
  • Adjust the qualities of the picture.
  • Step out of the picture - dissociate.
  • Take the picture, and "float above it".
  • Energise the picture with four deep breaths,
    - in through the nose, out through the mouth.
  • Float out into the Future.
  • Insert the picture into your Time Line.
  • Notice the events between then and now re-evaluate themselves
    - to support the Goal.
  • Float back to now.
e. Some work on the P1-T1 Diagram -

"How can we examine and make our unconscious premises (assumptions) conscious?"

(We started with a little relaxation led by Jeanne and Robert)

Now to business .. Discssion:

What is your interpretation of the P1-T1 diagram?

Do you ever get the feeling that you are doing something that doesn't work for you, but are not sure why you persist in this behaviour? Can you think of an example?

Have you any idea where that behaviour could have originated?

Can you think of a behaviour that may stem from preverbal or early childhood, that you feel for the most part, is a positive or useful behaviour? Think of an example, and where it may have originated?

How do we effectively apply the P1-T1 concepts in our everyday lives?

Think of three things that you may do regularlyto help you be more aware of pemises that are not working well for you?

What do you think of the differences between Korzybski's P1-T1 Diagram and:

a. the RET version, and

b. the NLP version?

Do you think that they build on each other - how?

If you cannot recall where you originally came up with these premises, theories or beliefs, it can be harder to effectively use the theiry behind Korzybski's P1-T1 Diagram to effectively challenge the resultant behaviours and move them permanently to P2s and B2s.


4. ~ AGS Business ~

AGS National Conference 27-29 August 2010:
Finalising subjects for presentation,
Participation of “the public”,

UN Conference 30 August - 1 September 2010 – “Global Health”
David’s application for our participation with a “stall”,
Content and presenters for our presentations (if invited)?,
Support from IGS with books, pamphlets etc.

5. ~ Close ~

Next Meeting: Sun 18July at the AGS Sydney Headquarters, Bonnet Bay

(Updated 21 June 2010)